Hi! It was suggested to me to bring this issue to this list. The packaging guidelines says that a package should not own a directory that is owned by a package on which it depends. The packaging guidelines also says that packages should own all directories needed in order not to leave orphaned directories after a package de-installation. The way rpm/yum currently works these guidelines are contradicting and you must choose which one to implement in your packaging. My question is - is this a bug in yum/rpm, or a flaw in the packaging guidelines? Here is an example that implements the first guideline - and violates the second - spec file attached. The spec builds a main package, 8 packages (A-H) that depend on the main package and 8 devel packages that each depends on one of the packages (A-H). If I install all 17 packages and then do "yum remove mytest", all packages should be removed cleanly if the Requires are influencing the order the packages are uninstalled, which it must do if both guidelines is supposed to be implementable simultaneously. This is not what happens: [root@localhost ~]# rpm -ivh /home/ellert/rpmbuild/RPMS/i386/mytest-* Förbereder... ########################################### [100%] 1:mytest ########################################### [ 6%] 2:mytest-A ########################################### [ 12%] 3:mytest-B ########################################### [ 18%] 4:mytest-C ########################################### [ 24%] 5:mytest-D ########################################### [ 29%] 6:mytest-E ########################################### [ 35%] 7:mytest-F ########################################### [ 41%] 8:mytest-G ########################################### [ 47%] 9:mytest-H ########################################### [ 53%] 10:mytest-A-devel ########################################### [ 59%] 11:mytest-B-devel ########################################### [ 65%] 12:mytest-C-devel ########################################### [ 71%] 13:mytest-D-devel ########################################### [ 76%] 14:mytest-E-devel ########################################### [ 82%] 15:mytest-F-devel ########################################### [ 88%] 16:mytest-G-devel ########################################### [ 94%] 17:mytest-H-devel ########################################### [100%] [root@localhost ~]# yum remove mytest Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit Setting up Remove Process Resolving Dependencies --> Running transaction check ---> Package mytest.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 set to be erased --> Processing Dependency: mytest for package: mytest-A --> Processing Dependency: mytest for package: mytest-E --> Processing Dependency: mytest for package: mytest-G --> Processing Dependency: mytest for package: mytest-B --> Processing Dependency: mytest for package: mytest-F --> Processing Dependency: mytest for package: mytest-C --> Processing Dependency: mytest for package: mytest-D --> Processing Dependency: mytest for package: mytest-H --> Running transaction check ---> Package mytest-A.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 set to be erased --> Processing Dependency: mytest-A = 1.0-1.fc10 for package: mytest-A-devel ---> Package mytest-B.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 set to be erased --> Processing Dependency: mytest-B = 1.0-1.fc10 for package: mytest-B-devel ---> Package mytest-C.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 set to be erased --> Processing Dependency: mytest-C = 1.0-1.fc10 for package: mytest-C-devel ---> Package mytest-D.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 set to be erased --> Processing Dependency: mytest-D = 1.0-1.fc10 for package: mytest-D-devel ---> Package mytest-E.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 set to be erased --> Processing Dependency: mytest-E = 1.0-1.fc10 for package: mytest-E-devel ---> Package mytest-F.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 set to be erased --> Processing Dependency: mytest-F = 1.0-1.fc10 for package: mytest-F-devel ---> Package mytest-G.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 set to be erased --> Processing Dependency: mytest-G = 1.0-1.fc10 for package: mytest-G-devel ---> Package mytest-H.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 set to be erased --> Processing Dependency: mytest-H = 1.0-1.fc10 for package: mytest-H-devel --> Running transaction check ---> Package mytest-A-devel.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 set to be erased ---> Package mytest-B-devel.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 set to be erased ---> Package mytest-C-devel.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 set to be erased ---> Package mytest-D-devel.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 set to be erased ---> Package mytest-E-devel.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 set to be erased ---> Package mytest-F-devel.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 set to be erased ---> Package mytest-G-devel.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 set to be erased ---> Package mytest-H-devel.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 set to be erased --> Finished Dependency Resolution Dependencies Resolved ================================================================================ Package Arch Version Repository Size ================================================================================ Removing: mytest i386 1.0-1.fc10 installed 0.0 Removing for dependencies: mytest-A i386 1.0-1.fc10 installed 6.0 mytest-A-devel i386 1.0-1.fc10 installed 7.0 mytest-B i386 1.0-1.fc10 installed 6.0 mytest-B-devel i386 1.0-1.fc10 installed 7.0 mytest-C i386 1.0-1.fc10 installed 6.0 mytest-C-devel i386 1.0-1.fc10 installed 7.0 mytest-D i386 1.0-1.fc10 installed 6.0 mytest-D-devel i386 1.0-1.fc10 installed 7.0 mytest-E i386 1.0-1.fc10 installed 6.0 mytest-E-devel i386 1.0-1.fc10 installed 7.0 mytest-F i386 1.0-1.fc10 installed 6.0 mytest-F-devel i386 1.0-1.fc10 installed 7.0 mytest-G i386 1.0-1.fc10 installed 6.0 mytest-G-devel i386 1.0-1.fc10 installed 7.0 mytest-H i386 1.0-1.fc10 installed 6.0 mytest-H-devel i386 1.0-1.fc10 installed 7.0 Transaction Summary ================================================================================ Install 0 Package(s) Update 0 Package(s) Remove 17 Package(s) Is this ok [y/N]: y Downloading Packages: Running rpm_check_debug Running Transaction Test Finished Transaction Test Transaction Test Succeeded Running Transaction Erasing : mytest-E-devel 1/17 Erasing : mytest-H-devel 2/17 Erasing : mytest-A 3/17 Erasing : mytest-C 4/17 Erasing : mytest-D 5/17 Erasing : mytest-E 6/17 Erasing : mytest-G 7/17 Erasing : mytest-H 8/17 Erasing : mytest-C-devel 9/17 Erasing : mytest-F-devel 10/17 Erasing : mytest-F 11/17 Erasing : mytest-A-devel 12/17 Erasing : mytest-D-devel 13/17 Erasing : mytest 14/17 Erasing : mytest-G-devel 15/17 Erasing : mytest-B 16/17 Erasing : mytest-B-devel 17/17 Removed: mytest.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 Dependency Removed: mytest-A.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 mytest-A-devel.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 mytest-B.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 mytest-B-devel.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 mytest-C.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 mytest-C-devel.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 mytest-D.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 mytest-D-devel.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 mytest-E.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 mytest-E-devel.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 mytest-F.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 mytest-F-devel.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 mytest-G.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 mytest-G-devel.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 mytest-H.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 mytest-H-devel.i386 0:1.0-1.fc10 Complete! After the removal there are orphaned directories: [root@localhost ~]# find /usr/share/mytest /usr/share/mytest /usr/share/mytest/C /usr/share/mytest/G /usr/share/mytest/B /usr/share/mytest/D /usr/share/mytest/A [root@localhost ~]# rpm -q --whatprovides `find /usr/share/mytest` filen /usr/share/mytest tillhör inget paket filen /usr/share/mytest/C tillhör inget paket filen /usr/share/mytest/G tillhör inget paket filen /usr/share/mytest/B tillhör inget paket filen /usr/share/mytest/D tillhör inget paket filen /usr/share/mytest/A tillhör inget paket
Name: mytest
Version: 1.0
Release: 1%{?dist}
Summary: RPM dependency remove test
Group: Development Tools
License: GPLv2+
URL: http://
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