On 02/21/2012 10:00 PM, Christopher R. Antila wrote:
On 02/21/2012 03:51 PM, Brendan Jones wrote:
On 02/21/2012 09:07 PM, Kyrian wrote:
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- Then I think, ah, wrong kernel, and pulseaudio? But that could
be grouped too, no? Have, say, Jack and have it conflict with
pulseaudio somehow?
Pulseaudio is proving to be a pain. Its now an implicit dependency
of the default desktop (GNOME) which is unfortunate. Having said
all that, I think its a great piece of software, but creates
unnecessary complications when all you want to do is
create/produce and edit music. There are some applications which
refuse to play with anything else now (skype anyone?) that mean
people like me have no choice but to coexist with it. I'm still not
happy with my setup - other users on this list have also posted
their solutions [2]. I think we should aim to ship a
pulseaudio-less solution. This means we need to decide on a desktop
that's not Gnome - of course that won't make everyone happy, but if
we have the comps group like you suggest, those gnome users can
still pull in the audio packages with ease.
Something about this seems off.
I remember when it used to be the case that audio cards generally
wouldn't work by default in Linux. Slowly, eventually, PulseAudio
solved that. If we remove PulseAudio, we're forcing our users to "go
it alone." Now, I understand that PulseAudio isn't ideal for audio
creation software--that's why it uses JACK--but we don't want to throw
away everything that PulseAudio gained. And surely we want to allow
people to use GNOME if they want. And Skype. Otherwise we risk running
into a situation where people enjoy using the Fedora Audio Spin for
audio-creation tasks, but can't stand it for anything else.
I tend to agree with this if for slightly different reasons. It would be
an opportunity to squash any bugs that still make PulsAudio less than
usable.
And add the right configuration files for high channel count soundcards
(Envy24, RME, etc) so they can be used with PA. And add them to either
to PA or to ALSA, I don't care, they both keep pointing fingers at each
other and nobody solves the problem (maybe we could add this to the wish
list?).
But of course that requires a lot of testing and manpower.
Recent versions of JACK cooperate better with PulseAudio. Maybe what
we need is the PulseAudio-->JACK output sink enabled by default. As
you noted, Simon Lewis recently posted a possible procedure to this list.
There should be a way to turn this on and off easily and at will but I
personally don't think it should be on by default.
My normal usage of Linux for audio work pretty much requires that the
connection between PA and Jack not exist by default. I would not want
random system beeps or web page sounds to intrude into a recording
session or concert performance. At other times that might be desired or
required. But the default should be off.
At some point the early history of PA+Jack integration, when it still
did not quite work (Fedora 10?), I had a perl script that wrapped Jack
and could optionally start the Jack sinks and sources automatically
after the Jack startup process, but I never made that the default action.
-- Fernando
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