On Sat 10 April 2010 9:17:43 am Nelson Marques wrote: > > > > > > Using your arguments in a little bit of exaggerated way would lead for > > example to using Adobe Illustrator for artwork, Photoshop for other > > stuff and would exclude those that don't have these tools ... > > That's not what I had in mind. There are some tools (in my field data > mining and data analysis that if they were not present in Linux, I > wouldn't be able to swap from whatever to Linux). The open source > alternatives are not mature, and probably will never be mature. If we > look at the "Cathedral and Bazaar", you will find that most Marketing > professionals are not programmers, so that model applied to "PSPP" for > example would never work. The maturity level between PSPP and IBM > alternative SPSS is abyssal. (http://www.gnu.org/software/pspp/VS > http://www.spss.com). And personally, this is the biggest problem which I see in Eric Raymond's views. When it comes down to it, we're only hurting ourselves in the long run to provide our content primarily on non-free distribution channels primarily, with the "other" "non-user-friendly" distribution channels being an afterthought as you seem to be implying. I respect Eric Raymond occasionally, but this is simply irresponsible to our community in the long term view. Our content should be available and advertised in _free_ formats first and foremost with the non-free channels to be "second class" citizens, rather than our freely available content. This keeps people like me and countless others in Fedora who look at non- free content as a detriment to our distribution, while also catering to the mainstream. > Using your examples, my GIMP knowledge is enough for dropping > Photoshop... my Corel skills are a good reason for not using Inkscape. > But that isn't a problem for me because I'm not an artist neither I > produce artistic content, just some casual photo editing, color messing, > cropping, etc. > > Considering the achievement of the last 10 years, and looking to the > future in maybe a naive way, but I could say that eventually FOSS has > everything to become industry mainstream... we're mainly lacking some > market volume shares for it happen (and that won't happen based on > Cathedral and Bazaar model). Here's the big thing I see when applying the Cathedral and the Bazaar "model" to this case: ESR wrote that with attracting _users_ to the software. We, as Fedora marketing, are looking to attract contributors as well. There comes a specific turning point where someone involved in our distro as a user realizes that things like this are important and need to be considered. We are marketing to those people as well, people who _will_ care about free content at the end of the day. > Anyway, neither I've taken you by a radical, neither I want to sound > like a radical. I'm trying to see if we can hit a wider audience and get > more proffit (not revenue) out of it. And IMO this can be done by providing our content as free first and foremost, rather than as an afterthought. This is why I like Nick's original proposal. It's not despotism, but pragmatism. > nelson. Ryan -- Ryan Rix == http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://rix.si/ ==
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