On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Christoph Wickert <christoph.wickert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>Agreed. But it gives us a start and focus as a platform to build from.
>>>Again. Agreed. Numbers are not everything to you, but they are the basis when trying to get sponsorship/support from other organizations (government, NGO, For-profit, etc)
>>>Difficult. We need to build a methodology and sampling to support that.
>>>Events are good, papers at events could be one, contributions, initiated projects, sponsorships, trainings......There are many different possible variables that can be measured. We just have to define some and build off of that.
Am Mittwoch, den 14.10.2009, 17:26 +0200 schrieb Gregory Zysk:
I don't think that the number of ambassadors reflects what we do. There
> >> If we interact with people outside the community, then yes we do
> need to have some sort of metrics that reflect what we do.
are other ways to measure this: The number of events we do, the number
of talks our ambassadors do or the number of Fedora installs [1] and so
>>>Agreed. But it gives us a start and focus as a platform to build from.
on.
Take a look at Ubuntu, they seem measure their success by the number of
Ubuntu CDs the gave away on an event. I recall talking to a guy from
their community and he said: "It was a very successful event for Ubuntu,
we gave away nearly 3000 CDs." I wasn't really surprised about the high
number because they had big boxes of CDs standing in front of their
booth. People walked by and grabbed 10 or 20 at once while the Ubuntu
people were sitting behind their desk and reading books.
To me this is no success. For me it is more important to have a nice
conversation with somebody. We talk for 5 or 10 minutes and then I give
him a Live-CD before he leaves. I'm sure this person is much more
interested in Fedora and has learned more about the project than
somebody who papers his restroom with Ubuntu-CDs because they bling so
nice. ;)
>>> Agreed also. That is a waste of time and financial resources which could be better used elsewhere.
We must not take numbers as the key to everything. Numbers do not
reflect how well a community is working or how people actually feel as
being part of this community. Is there a way to measure pride or
gratitude?
>>>Again. Agreed. Numbers are not everything to you, but they are the basis when trying to get sponsorship/support from other organizations (government, NGO, For-profit, etc)
I think they are precise. The number of Ambassadors has decreased, but
> Those should, of course, be honest, but also precise. Not just a round
> about figure. The reason being legitimacy.
their quality has increased. How would you measure quality by numbers?
>>>Difficult. We need to build a methodology and sampling to support that.
What kind of external purposes do you think of?
> This is one of the largest gauge for an organization which produces
> knowledge as an output. In simple words, these figures can be used for
> external purposes. And why not? The resources are already there (in
> this case)
Regards,
Christoph
>>>Events are good, papers at events could be one, contributions, initiated projects, sponsorships, trainings......There are many different possible variables that can be measured. We just have to define some and build off of that.
[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics
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