Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Michael DeHaan wrote:
Sorry for another desktop thread, but I thought this was an
interesting data point. This is an interesting data point because I
think it's about message and not so much about technical data.
I was talking with a user who did not want to look at Fedora or an EL
on the desktop where they work for the following reasons, and was
looking at using Ubuntu. Naturally knowing that really there is
almost no difference in these (Gnome is Gnome) and they didn't even
need the non-free codecs, I figured I would pass on the comments in
hopes that this would be useful to someone else.
Just in case, codecs are the issue, I am working on something:
http://lists.rpmfusion.org/pipermail/rpmfusion-developers/2008-August/000894.html
Their Comments:
(A) Fedora is too much of an upgrade process every six months.
This is interesting to me because Ubuntu comes out at about the same
rate. I did not think they were talking about LTS releases, but are
we pitching the ease of things like preupgrade enough?
Preupgrade up until recently and perhaps not just yet is not something
that just works. It came in late during the Fedora 9 release cycle
and it had a few bugs in it still. It was slightly different from the
regular Anaconda upgrade experience. It was also a not easily
discoverable command line application. All of that is changing
* PackageKit has the ability to notify users when a upgrade is
available and preupgrade is going to be hooked up to it. The user is
something like this:
http://www.packagekit.org/img/gpk-distro-upgrade-notify.png
* The whitelist/blacklist magic in Anaconda is split out into yum
plugins which Preupgrade will use making the experience more consistent
* Number of bugs have been fixed and we should be able to promote this
feature to non-technical end users more.
In short, I have high hopes that this will resolve one of the
classical pain points so far.
(B) Comments that Red Hat, not Fedora, was disinterested in the
desktop -- therefore they were less interested in Fedora as they
didn't see an investment. Clearly not true.
Well, the Red Hat press on this was easily misquoted and there was
some amount of dramatization around it.
I don't see this being
applicable because it's a capable desktop, we invest well in it, and
Fedora cares very much about this. Again, how do we pass on that
message? Again, nothing technical is IMHO required, it's mostly
about dispelling those statements.
In the context of fedora-marketing, I'm wondering how we can deal
with this image that -- as far as I can not tell, is not descriptive
of the distro.
We recently rewrote our overview to highlight the amount of desktop
infrastructure we are investing in.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview
Also
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions
Hope that helps.
Rahul
All true, I am definitely aware of the Red Hat Contributions page
(https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions#Emerging_Technologies).
and we were misquoted somewhat on the desktop front.
The ultimate question is what else can be done regarding that /message/
(not features) that we are not already doing.
--Michael
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