-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rahul escribió: > Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: > >> In my opinion Ubuntu is more targeted towards the new users, it has >> many functions "dumbed" down for users, even if these >> "simplifications" come at the cost of security (sudo, anyone?), and it >> has also a large userbase because of this. > > I wouldnt call sudo by default a big security tradeoff but we can do > better. See > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-extras-list/2006-July/msg00814.html > I know there are better models, even the PAM access controls I first ever saw in Red Hat impressed me quite a bit, starting graphically an administrative tool, and have the root password prompt is and was awesome. However either more and more admin tasks have a graphical frontend to use the same model or other model should be put in place altogether... Like PolicyKit, as you mention. > > Fedora on the other hand, >> is more targeted toward the "enthusiastic" users or "Linux power >> users" (without it being Debian). > > That has been the case historically. I would like this to change. And I'm doing my part. I have helped a lot of my friends and family to migrate to Linux using Fedora as the path, I won't deny that at first, especially with Yarrow and Tettnang Fedora kept its "elitist" approach of being an enthusiast-only distro. Still I introduced it to a great many people and thankfully, many of them are still using it. > > > Also Ubuntu has a larger lifespan >> than Fedora, alas, (if I understand correctly) > > For the usual Ubuntu releases, the life cycle is 1.5 years which is > not that different from Fedora especially when considering Fedora > Legacy. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LifeCycle > > Rahul I understand this, but only a couple months ago I helped upgrade a friend to Core 5 from Core 3, and the main reason for the update was that there are no officially endorsed OpenOffice.org 2.0.x packages for Core 3 or any of the Legacy maintained distros, for that matter. Today I'm upgrading my home server to Core 5 too from Tettnang, because I want to use official packages like PHP 5, more recent MySQL builds, etc, on it. This is what I meant by lifespan. Having security updates and bugfixes is good, and OK, but without the benefits from newer versions of the programs, you are pretty much "forced" to upgrade to a new version pretty much as soon as your current distro is moved to Legacy. I'm not asking for this to change, after all I knew that this was going to be the case with Fedora, as it IS part of what makes Fedora, Fedora. But I wanted to point out that in the case of Ubuntu, for its users the greater lifespan is good, as they have upgrades, updates and bugfixes heavily worked on for 18 months, before a distro upgrade. In the case of Fedora this is at most for 12 months before moving into Legacy; and even then, some times even when the next version is released the prior automatically stops getting new versions of programs and is stalled. Not that this is 100% true, but it is for quite a bit of packages (glibc, gcc, etc, etc), but at least in the case of GCC this can induce serious problems. Historically and traditionally Fedora is not to be used on "production environments" as it being a community driven distro and the "playground for RHEL", serves more to test a particular or group of technologies to be included in RHEL (I KNOW that is not the case, but until recently that was the general perception of Fedora amongst Linux savvy users), however I'm glad that Fedora has started to have a life of its own and is less and less tied to RedHat in terms of the direction the distribution as a whole is taking and letting the community more and more participate on it. I'm glad that Fedora is less and less seen as the "Red Hat's community pet project" and more as what it really is: A community driven project. Still some users feel "distant" from the project and don't know how to get involved on it (I know I felt that way for some time). In general I think Fedora has made some real strides into changing how the community perceives the project and to redefine itself. So it is actually good to know the clarification that Fedora actually is heading in a direction where it'd be in direct competition with Ubuntu in the good sense, as competing to one-another will only lead to positive things on both sides and to improve the user experience with both distributions, which in the end will reflect on more Linux users... That can only be a good thing in my book. > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list@xxxxxxxxxx > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE6eWsXM+XOp70dwoRAh2fAJ9QXNySVgYIVOK4rxTJbsbI3xVKtQCdEX7b BVNdddDVMlBuHZGwby5vxok= =Q0Tw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
