On Tue, 2006-08-08 at 22:02 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le mardi 08 août 2006 à 15:18 -0400, Paul W. Frields a écrit : > > On Tue, 2006-08-08 at 14:53 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > Le Mar 8 août 2006 13:14, Paul W. Frields a écrit : > > > > > > >> We have a great product. That needs promoting and user feed back. > > > > > > > > The first is what Marketing is for. The second is what Bugzilla is for. > > > > > > I strongly disagree. > > [...snip...] > > > > Thank you Nicolas, this is the first substantial discussion I've seen on > > this topic. I really have no opposition to a SIG for this work, but I > > want to see it hashed out on the appropriate lists transparently, not > > unilaterally announced. > > The appropriate list is certainly the desktop one, as any cli/server > usability problem is very low prio nowadays. However since it's been > almost dead lately I don't think discussing it directly there would have > had any effect. > > > Unless I missed the big discussion elsewhere -- > > I missed it too :) > I only rationalised why a usability group would be useful, I have little > idea if it's the kind of usability group proposed today. > > Also I have my fingers in enough pies today I hope someone will take up > the program and make it real, but I've little time to contribute myself. > Though this is a direct result of trying to engage upstream alone as > we're supposed to do nowadays. Don't get me wrong, I see that a usability initiative is worthwhile. It *is* difficult to expect to users to follow multiple upstream vendors. Unfortunately, I think Bugzilla is not living up to its potential as far as serving as a conduit for issues to upstream. Being able to link to one or more "outside Bugzilla" bugs and follow them with a single Fedora/RH Bugzilla entry, for instance, would be a major boon. I seem to remember that idea being discussed at one time. I found this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=178305 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=189813 The latter seems more relevant. What would be *really* useful, IMHO, is to be able to enter an outside bugzilla URL which would cause the RH/Fedora Bugzilla to CC itself on that outside bug, as well as take its discussion upstream unless marked otherwise. (We don't want to clog upstream with very Fedora-specific stuff, for example.) That's neither here nor there, though -- most importantly I wanted some public discussion of this usability initiative and some more concrete goals and objectives than what I currently see on the wiki. It's a worthy effort that deserves more thought and input. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject
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