On Sat, 2006-04-22 at 20:23 +0530, Tejas Dinkar wrote: > Ok, perhaps I misunderstood your post. No, I'm partly responsible for not explaining my viewpoint better. I'm a very frustrated American Engineer. I'm seeing American businesses piss our country down the drain. Not because developers are Indian, Irish or Israeli, but because with so much H1B Visa abuse and outsourcing, 90% of its is crap just because it saves money. It's not like it was in the mid-'90s and earlier, when you didn't have expansion of the H1B Visa system and outsourcing was done carefully. I've worked in the defense industry, semiconductor industry and the financial industry over 15 years now. It used to be that foreign-born engineers and technologists were given Green Cards and became the most outstanding of Americans. Because they were allowed to move from company to company, he could ask for the same salaries as myself. If he wasn't qualified, he didn't last, because an American was the same price. That's why 90% of immigrant engineers were very qualified -- far more than the percentage of Americans who really didn't deserve their positions at times. It was a great balance! Now we have the H1B Visa system, not an immigration system at all. Having qualified Americans replaced with crap, just because they are 1/3rd the price, is horrendous. So we've gone from 90% quality of immigrants (displacing maybe 50-60% _unqualified_ Americans -- which is a _good_thing_ -- especially since most of these immigrants will become Americans!) to 10% quality immigrants (replacing _all_ Americans, including the 40-50% qualified -- just because they are 1/3rd the salary). Outsourcing is now a joke. Every company I've worked at spends more on "fixing" what they get back, sending Americans overseas to supervise development teams, and generally _discarding_ most of what they get. In many cases, the original business manager who started it has been promoted because of the savings, and the next guy is "stuck with it." Why? Because these Indian, Irish, Israeli and other companies I've worked with _oversell_ what they can do. I have fixed so much crap, and saved their butts so many times (e.g., when I've been a peer-consultant on-site to their firms) it sickens me. I've seen it first hand at most of the companies I mentioned before. Open Source? This crap doesn't happen. You get the _best_ the world has to offer, period. People either know or they don't, or they learn trying, failing, picking themselves back up and succeeding. That is what made American engineering strong in the past. I'm very happy, both as an American and engineer, to see that this is a world-wide reality. In fact, nothing sickens me as both an engineer and as an American than when I see a technician say, "oh, Microsoft gives me job security because their stuff always breaks." And people wonder why the US is going down the toilet! > I Apologize for accusing you of being racist. Hey, I'm a land-locked, 1-language, ignorant American. Sometimes I need to check to make sure I'm not being a racist or bigot. No offense taken at all -- especially since I didn't detail what I meant. > It just struck a bit close to home. I know. Just try to realize what I'm saying. I've worked with extremely intelligent, uniquely qualified, foreign-born individuals from literally 50+ nations in my career. Most of them were far more intelligent than I. But in today's American corporation that develops software for either in-house use or sale, it's changes drastically over the last 8 years. It's gone from finding that talent and asking them to become an American to telling them they have to work for 1/3rd their worth and they can't become Americans. If you think that is bad for America, what about that uniquely qualified, foreign-born expert who is now not only surrounded by his "cheap labor" peers, but then assumed to be "just another under-qualified, but cheap H1B Visa worker" like them? 90% of H1B Visa workers and outsourcing partners are crap today. And that's who's writing in-house and commercial software in America's Fortune 100 companies. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@xxxxxxxx http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------------ ****** Speed doesn't kill. Difference in speed does! ****** -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
