On Sat, 2006-04-22 at 02:41 -0500, Jasper O'neal Hartline wrote: > You must have lived a very sheltered childhood. I too come from a > military background, in fact my uncle is a retired Marine Captain > and is now working as a civilian at the Pentagon. My Grandfather and > Mother both are retired military, my Grandfather being a veteran of > Vietnam. > It may have been off-key, but racist?? It was out-of-context without detail, I apologize. Understand I am an American-born engineer who has worked _most_ of my early career with _far_more_intelligent_ and _experienced_ foreign-born workers than myself. But the trend of H1B Visa abuse and outsourcing in the last 8 years has utterly turned it 180 degrees the other way! These developments are the _crap_ that is writing software at or for Boeing, Diebold, IBM, Lockheed-Martin, Microsoft, State Farm, etc... > Read what he wrote: > incompetent, oursourced or H1B Visa Indian, Irish and Israeli > programmers who have had virtually _little_ (if any) exposure to any > formal software development or engineering processes That is _who_ Diebold, IBM, Microsoft, State Farm, etc... are using right now to develop commercial and in-house software. They are using the "lowest price the world has to offer." Open source will _continue_ to be the "best the world has to offer." You've never seen the H1B Visa system in action until you've seen that 10% foreign, minority _expert_ have to deal with the other 90% of _crap_ that came from the same (and other) countries. And the only reason they came is because they were _cheap_ and they cannot leave for another American company because they don't hold Green Cards. It's really bad people. It's abuse. The problem with immigration in America has never been the immigrant. It's always been the American who is ready to abuse them. The H1B Visa is a legalized system of abuse. With the Green Card system, foreign-born workers could change jobs and get paid what they are worth. Those who were not qualified would not get jobs, or not last long, and would not. Oursourcing is a major problem. American managers, who are nearsighted to only 3 years or less of budget, don't care what kind of software they get back -- just that they met deadlines and saved a lot of money. There are only a very select few engineer-managed companies left, like HP (which, not surprisingly, is one of the _real_ companies that "get Linux" -- because they're engineers!) and look at a 30 year plan. NASA was nearsighted in the '90s too. After the Mars Pathfinder mission, they started slashing budgets 90% and using COTS. They didn't realize they were slashing necessary costs like QA. So it wasn't a big surprise when the Mars Polar Lander crashed because one team was using Metric units and another Imperial standard. They realized that they couldn't save on everything, but maybe save 30-40% overall by using COTS. The same is happening in outsourcing today. American managers save 90% and save on everything -- not realizing you can't outsource it all. But what do they care, they'll be promoted and freed up by the time the software goes into production. I mean, you have things like business logic and locale being developed by foreign developers who have no concept of American common law and business. I constantly had to define American legal and other terms, and train developers on details. It's one thing for them to write a low-level subsystem for communication (although some were utterly lacking in basic architecture/concepts), but to write user-interfaces, documentation, etc... Nuts! Again, the problem isn't the people, it's the _system_ setup that causes the problems. I've worked with so many qualified, foreign-born experts -- people more intelligent than myself. But with increased H1B Visa abuse and outsourcing, it's gone from 90% qualified immigrants/workers (far in excess of the native American percentage) to 10% qualified immigrants/workers (often replacing the greater percentage of native, American knowledge -- and only because they are cheaper). Sorry, I didn't mean to introduce this tangent. But this is commercial software for you in the US today. It's utter crap. That's why I believe in open source strongly -- the best the world has to offer! -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@xxxxxxxx http://thebs413.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------------ ****** Speed doesn't kill. Difference in speed does! ****** -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
