Heh. So now I'm catching up on all of the mail from the past week, and it looks like things got a little snippy. Let me add my $0.02, for what they're worth: 1. Numbers don't impress me, except in a very general way. Debian and Ubuntu and Fedora are all doing very well. I'd like to get *some* accurate numbers -- but only to tell us how well *we* are doing. What do I want to see? More users, more packagers, more awareness, more innovation. But I'm *not* interested in "how we're doing versus Ubuntu today". Having seen and talked with a lot of folks in Debian/Ubuntuland at LinuxTag, I've come to the conclusion that everyone has their own problems to solve. I'm interested in solving ours. 2. "Marketing" is perhaps a misnomer here. People think of "marketing" as this aggressive, sell-the-sizzle, hit-the-number sort of idea. That's not what I think of when I think about this list of people. I think of much more basic stuff: tell people what's good about Fedora, and why they should use it, and most importantly, why they should *participate*. I'm not interested in having 10 gazillion users; I'm interested in having a few thousand knowledgable advocates. The user base will take care of itself. --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list