On Saturday 15 July 2006 15:37, Enrico Scholz <enrico.scholz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > skvidal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (seth vidal) writes: > >> > Enrico, it's a wiki. A friggin wiki. The whole idea is that > >> > people can edit pages. > >> > >> This whole sh^Wissue started because the Fedora Wiki admins think > >> different... ;) > > > > not true. This fedora wiki admins was asked > > sorry; please s!admins!commanders! > > > to make the packaging tree of the wiki restricted so spot could work > > on it. > > When I interpret statements in this thread correctly, this "so ... could > work on it" became a "forever" :( > We aren't trying to violate your rights, but we do need to maintain organization on the wiki, and that's what prompted the movement of your page. Your insistence upon keeping it in a non-conformant location is what made this a real problem. We told you in the beginning why the Packaging/ hierarchy had restricted ACLs and what your options were to work around it. We told you why the page was placed in the PackagingDrafts/ hierarchy. We aren't trying to violate your will with regard to the purposes of the document, but we must have your cooperation in maintaining organization. If you take the time to look at the organization of other, similar pages, our reasons and practices might become more clear. It also wouldn't hurt for you to communicate with the Packaging Committee. You also need to clearly understand the CLA and its purpose. Rather than attempt to summarize anything, I'll recommend that you look over the Legal section of the wiki carefully. You should know that signing the CLA and submitting it to the wiki licenses it under the terms of the OPL without options. It also grants an irrevocable copyright license to the Fedora Project. While you are free to offer it under other licenses, you also cannot restrict the usage of the document in any way beyond the OPL. Among other things, this means that you cannot prevent it from being moved or organized in a different manner, whether you agree with it or not. If you want to apply such restrictions, you shouldn't submit your documents to the Fedora Project. It isn't in the spirit of FOSS to restrict your documents in that manner, and we won't support it. The responsible thing to do when there's something you disagree with is to bring the issue up to the appropriate group or committee. In this case, you could be talking to FESCo, the Packaging Committee and the Websites team. Even though this page represents an optional method of package management, it applies globally to the Fedora Project when the packager chooses to use it. The UserRegistry page also has global applications, but it can't be moved without ACL adjustment, as packagers must have write access to it. The end goal is to get all pages related to packaging policy and practices under the Packaging/ hierarchy. The ACLs will be loosened over the full hierarchy and tightened only on specific pages as needed after the content in that hierarchy matures. At that point, it will be perfectly safe to keep the UserRegistry and UserCreation pages within that hierarchy. The only reason we had been keeping UserCreation in the Drafts hierarchy is to allow you (and other editors) to continue working on it until that point. That's why the redirects have also been maintained. Knowing this, do you have any other compelling reasons to keep the UserCreation and UserRegistry pages out of the Packaging/ hierarchy? If it will make you feel better, we can temporarily override the ACLs to move your pages to the permanent locations under Packaging/ and maintain the current permissions. Personally, I'd rather leave the UserRegistry page where it is and put the UserCreation page back in Drafts until the ACLs over the rest of Packaging/ can be adjusted, but I'm willing to meet you half-way on this and assume that the Packaging Committee won't object to that. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64@xxxxxxxxx http://www.n-man.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/nman64 Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ --
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