Full log at http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SteeringCommittee/Meeting-20060601 == Summary == Present from FESCo: thl, skvidal, warren, f13, mschwendt, scop * kmod's (once again) * Jon Masters (jcm) is working on integrating and enhancing the Fedora kmod-scheme for RHEL; more details will probably follow soon on fedora-packaging-list (there was a post there on Friday after the meeting) * buildsys-build (reduced packageset in default mock buildroot) * spot's was not around, but we wanted to solve this * we agreed on the [http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#Exceptions Exceptions list] from the wiki and added "which" to it; with all deps rpms pulls in the minimal buildroot for FE5/devel will contain the packages in [http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/FullExceptionList this list] (and buildsys-macros). * this list will be used for all targets (e.g. also for FE[345])! That might break some packages on the next rebuild in stable releases! Be careful! * skvidal will prepare a new mock with a default buildroot that contains only the packages from http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#Exceptions , buildsys-macros (and rpm will pull all the deps in) * Encourage Extras reviews * tibbs> | No comments received yet on my proposals. I'm happy to just start working and let folks kick me if I'm going in the wrong direction. * warren> | tibbs, that might just be a good idea. * MIA/AWOL maintainers (mschwendt, jwb and Michael J Knox) * mschwendt> | thl: topic on extras-list has come to a sudden halt -- but we've discovered another AWOL * mschwendt> | would it be a start to track these maintainers in a list e.g. in CVS owners/mia.list? * we'll try that for now and change it later if we need something better * Some discussions if we can require that maintainers answer some sort of periodic ping; some liked the idea, other not, other liked the scheme where all maintainers had to rebuild their packages for FE5 (and thus show up), others simply want to ping those that were inactive for X (X=24 ?) weeks * thl> | does anyone want to work out a solution? * mschwendt> | I think we create a Wiki page which gives guidelines on how to take over packages and at the same time we add some information about AWOL/MIA maintainers * Co-maintainership * People seem to have different exception on this topic. The easy "Packager A) I would like to have Packager B help me. Packager B) Ok." is possible already. But others want more from it; see [https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-extras-list/2006-June/msg00040.html this mail] for some of the other, more complicated ideas. * thl> | let's continue this on the list * CVS * thl> | I know I'm paranoid ;-) * tibbs> | We already have an ACL system for CVS; it seems relatively simple to just use it. * tibbs> | s/relatively simple/simpler than solving the halting problem/ ? * thl> | tibbs, yeah, especially if the scripts that manage the ACL could easily be adjusted to the new system later * thl> | and the CTRL+C problem is still unfixed (that's really annoying me) * thl> | warren, from last weeks meeting: "thomasvs> | it's easily doable - add an ampersand to the trigger, if it runs in the background it can't be interrupted"; warren, somebody would have to try that * warren> | Okay, I'll look into that. * mschwendt> | in the package build report it would be interesting to see who requested a build * a request for a system that sends a mail to package owners if one of their packages was changed/build is on the FESCo-Schedule/Todo-List for a long time already, but nobody started to work on it yet. Any volunteers? BTW, sponsors should also get direct mails for all changes from people they sponsored. * warren> | We must keep things as open as possible to keep down overhead, and add in safety automation elsewhere. * warren> | Seems like package database would be a big step toward many of these goals. Would anyone like to work with me in designing the package database? * warren> | Maybe we should put together a list of goals and prioritize which to do first. * Please use [http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/Schedule/PackageDatabase this page] for the goals; one of the goals is to that this DB replaces owners.list -- Thorsten Leemhuis <fedora@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> -- fedora-extras-list mailing list fedora-extras-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-extras-list
