Hi all. We probably will have to do a rebuild of all (most?) packages in Fedora Extras before FC5 is released. Why? Some reasons: - Fedora Core 5 will ship with a new major version of gcc (4.1 in FC5 versus FC4 with 4.0). - The new gcc has some enhanced security features that of course only work if applications are compiled with it - The new gcc and the modular X.org might break the compile of some packages. Most things probably can be fixed easily if we do it now. If we wait longer it might happen that other changes occur that break the build in other fancy ways. That would complicate fixing a lot. - rebuilding packages might expose some bugs in gcc or modular X.org that can then maybe can be fixed before the release of FC5 But the most important reasons IMHO is: There are a lot of packages in the devel tree that were not rebuild for a long time. I'm inclined to say that the Extras Tree needs a quite bit of work before FC5 is released. Just look at your favorite mirror and sort by date (for example http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/fedora.redhat.com/linux/extras/development/SRPMS/?C=M;O=A ). Blender, tetex-eurofont, hackedbox, perl-IO-Tty, autotrace, ninja are just some examples from the first 12 packages that were not rebuild in the last year. Or just sort by name and search for the string "fc4" and look for packages, were no newer version with fc5 in the name is around. I found Macaulay2, SIMVoleon, cfs, cyrus-imapd, gnome-blog and stopped at that point. Those were never rebuild since the release of fc4. Do these packages still work? Are they still up2date? Are they orphaned? They probably did fail already during the last mass-rebuild for FC4 -- if they were not fixed until now then I think it's time to drop them now. There are probably more reasons for a mass rebuild that don't come to my mind just yet. FESCo talked in its last meeting about this topic, too. Here is the relevant parts of the discussion: 19:28 < thl> | jeremy, "Mass rebuild of Extras for FC5" 19:29 < jeremy> | thl: I still think we should wait until closer to test3 to even consider it 19:29 < warren> | Jakub mentioned further fixes to gcc/glibc needed before we do it 19:29 < mschwendt> | do we need a mass-rebuild of all Extras? 19:29 < mschwendt> | if so, why? 19:30 < jeremy> | mschwendt: it would be good to get things rebuilt for all of the new security stuff 19:30 < thl> | mschwendt, new security features from gcc 4.1 19:30 < ignacio|Sch> | Plenty of the packages haven't been rebuilt since 4.0.1. 19:30 < mschwendt> | jeremy, thl: okay, that's a reason 19:30 < thl> | mschwendt, and find all the problems that gcc 4.1 will show in the packages 19:30 < warren> | well, our gcc-4.0.x had the fortify source stuff patched in earlier 19:30 < warren> | but we should do it anyway 19:30 < thl> | IMHO it's better we fix those now once and for all 19:31 < mschwendt> | just asking because feedback on fedora-devel list was, well, poor. 19:31 < thl> | the question imho is: 19:31 < thl> | are the extras buildsystems fast enough? 19:31 < thl> | they are a lot slower than behivve 19:31 < thl> | and we need time after build to fix up stuff 19:32 < thl> | that broke 19:32 < ignacio|Sch> | I could see it taking 4 days to rebuild everything. 19:32 < mschwendt> | at least 19:32 < thl> | yeah, probably longer 19:32 < ignacio|Sch> | With the issues plague/mock has been exhibiting, certainly. 19:33 < jcollie> | is there any development going on in the yum/mock/rpm groups to speed up the time it takes to set up the build root? 19:34 < che> | Sopwith, where can i read up on bouncer? 19:35 < thl> | well, I'll try to start a discussion on fedora-extras-list about mass-rebuilding of extras for FC5 19:35 < thl> | that okay for everybody? 19:35 < thl> | I'll say that we'll do it around "test3" 19:35 < bpepple> | thl: sounds good. So guys, how do we do actually do that? Those people that have packages in Extras that were not rebuild in the past 5 months IMHO should kick of a rebuild as soon as possible, just to make sure everything still builds fine on FC5/rawhide. Note: Not all at once please, it must be possible for others to request builds in case they need to get a update with a security fix build. The real mass rebuild should happen around test3. But that leaves not much time to bring things in shape befor FC5 is released (only round about 4 weeks). That's not enough IMHO. And we need some scripts that automate the process! Has anyone something that can do that on the hard drive already? It should do something like this: a) increase release of all or some (see next point) package in cvs by one. Add changelog entry. b) request build of 10 packages (those that weren't rebuild for a long time first, the others later). c) wait for the buildsys to finish those 10. That gives a chance for other packagers to have access to the buildsys (to build for other dists -- otherwise it might take to long until important security updates get build) d) Go back to b) [or a, depending on implementation of a) and b) ] And what do we do with orphaned packages ( http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/OrphanedPackages ) ? Drop them now? Rebuild them and ship them if they build? Who fixes those that did not build? Or do we drop those until someone steps up to fix them? Who files bug reports for those packages that did not build and keeps bugzilla in shape? We need new tracker bugs for Fedora Extras 5 just as we had them for FE4: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=157183 (FE4Target) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=157553 (FE4Target-x86_64) (was there one specific to FE4 and PPC? Can't remember) People interested in PPC and x86_64 can look at the arch-specific bugs this way and help fixing them in case the packager has no access to that arch. Note to myself (please remind me of it if I forget it): we should clean up the devel tree shortly before FC5 -- we only should have one version of each package in it. This way we get rid of all old files with "fc4" in the release, too. Guys, comments please. And we probably need help from everyone to get Extras in shape until FC5 i released! tia! CU thl -- Thorsten Leemhuis <fedora@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> -- fedora-extras-list mailing list fedora-extras-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-extras-list
