Pete,
Perhaps I am wrong about Transifex. My understanding is that you have to enter your text into Transifex so that eventually the translators can get to work on translating the text to second languages. What is the official method or software to use for submitting documentation? Am I wrong to assume we must write using Transifex? If so, please correct me.
Re Transifex. I have some questions relative to Fedora.
Does Transifex allow for markups and for peer review? Can I do that review using Transifex while commuting on the subway? Does it show me the markup changes with comments alongside? I did not see that "markup and peer review" are part of Transifex functionality.
I am not belittling Transifex. It is a good tool for its purposes. But it is not ubiquitous, Libreoffice is. (Actually I use Kingsoft Linux free version, It is software from China. Looks and feels like MS office).
Perhaps I am wrong about Transifex. My understanding is that you have to enter your text into Transifex so that eventually the translators can get to work on translating the text to second languages. What is the official method or software to use for submitting documentation? Am I wrong to assume we must write using Transifex? If so, please correct me.
Re Transifex. I have some questions relative to Fedora.
Does Transifex allow for markups and for peer review? Can I do that review using Transifex while commuting on the subway? Does it show me the markup changes with comments alongside? I did not see that "markup and peer review" are part of Transifex functionality.
I am not belittling Transifex. It is a good tool for its purposes. But it is not ubiquitous, Libreoffice is. (Actually I use Kingsoft Linux free version, It is software from China. Looks and feels like MS office).
Regards
Leslie
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From: Pete Travis <me@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: Lowering the participation barrier for Fedora Docs
On 11/11/2013 06:22 PM, Leslie S Satenstein wrote:
Hi Pete
Your blog below was quite appropriate. I work in aerospace and do a fair amount
of writing and software development. The editing department here is also a translation
department as the company is a global one, dealing with Chinese, Indian dialects, French, Spanish,
and a slew of UN national languages. The translators want paragraphs of text. The English editor wants
text delivered double spaced 12 size font, with revision management enabled and comments enabled.
The company uses MS word, but Libreoffice, (for Fedora's purpose), would suffice.
By allowing authors to use Libreoffice, along with Libreoffice's revision management, I believe that a quality
product and a more easily and accurately translated source would be generated.
Regarding installations, and expositories, there are varying levels of expertise as Fedora users. Many users,
from my use of forums is that they are more frequented by are beginners. They want a working Fedora distribution,
so that they may use the tools that are included. (from workbenches, to business software). I would say that the
more experienced individuals do not frequent the forums too often, as "they know it all, and what can they learn?"
Your ideas are great, I fully agree with them, but "when the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail".
My view is that the tool you are using, with po files, is great for application code messages. It misses something when
used as the documentation preparation tool.
Can you please try this experiment. Are you able to ask an author to write his stuff with Libreoffice, and then turn on revision managment to send out his work for comments and feedback. Lets see how that works. I would even take a page or two of text, if it is handed to me that way.
Libreoffice is not a barrier, since is is ubiquitous.
Regards
Leslie
I don't know how to tell you any harder that Transifex is *NOT* an automated machine translation service. It has the ability to use external machine translation, but the Fedora Project does not use this ability. There are real people reading these strings and translating them into their native languages. If you want to improve translations, you should contribute translations. The localization workflow is not broken, and the tools are excellent.
Emailing LibreOffice back and forth is certainly more efficient than the mailing of physical paper that the workflow is modeled after. It is *not* an improvement over an actual distributed version control system. As I've said before, use whatever editor you like - as long as the markup is correct and the files are saved in plain text.
When I'm talking about "lowering participation barriers", I'm thinking that most people with active FAS accounts know how to use git, are familiar or can easily become familiar with ReStructuredText or Markdown, and occasionally can take 15 minutes to write up a post. I'm not talking about restructuring everyone's workflow to suit your preference or enabling your criticism of translations. Please don't turn this discussion into a monologue of your storied past followed by insistence that we adopt a different and labor-intensive workflow because you aren't willing to learn what we already to. That topic has already been discussed enough.
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