On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:41:58AM +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: > Paul W. Frields さんは書きました: > > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 03:12:36PM +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: > >> Docs team, > >> I need your urgent attention. > >> > >> Ruediger Landmann さんは書きました: > >>> On 03/12/2010 10:58 AM, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: > >>>> Docs team, it would be nice if any update for dates we can hear. > >>>> > >>> I think we still need to iron out some issues in the schedule :( > >>> > >>> Docs is not scheduled to start moving the "beats" (Release Notes raw > >>> material) from the Wiki into XML until 11 March (item 25 on Docs > >>> Schedule[0]), so until then, any POT files we build will be empty. > >>> > >>> This process is scheduled to finish on 15 March -- Hopefully, we can be > >>> finished not long after that. > >> How is the progress of 'port wiki'? > >> Can we, translators expect to have POs for beta-rel-note translation in > >> a day or two? > >> > >>> The 25 days allowed for Release Notes translation (item 21 on Trans > >>> schedule [1]) should start on 15 March, when there is actually some > >>> content to translate... until then, there's only section headings and > >>> other "boilerplate" text that's the same from one release to the other > >>> anyway... > >> This may need to be adjusted by John... > >> > >> * 'Translate Beta Release Notes 2010-03-11 2010-04-15' in Trans Task > >> => Start date to be associated with End date of 'Port Wiki to Publican > >> 2010-03-11 2010-03-15' in Docs Task, which is 2010-03-15 > >> => End date to be associated with 'Translation Deadline: Beta Release > >> Notes', which is 2010-03-22. > >> > >> It is 16-Mar today, Brisbane time. We have less than a week for beta-rel > >> translation now. > > > > Noriko, thanks for this reminder. I just rejoined email from being at > > an event for the last four days, and sent some email to both Docs and > > L10n lists to go over the schedule and detail what needs to be done. > > > > One point that we should make is that the Beta release notes > > translation is a "soft" deadline. There may be some changes between > > Beta and GA in the release notes content. I've reminded Docs > > contributors that we should try to minimize those changes wherever > > possible. > > > > If translators do not finish their work by the Beta deadline, they are > > still able to continue working through the GA deadline on that > > content, which is about a month or so later. We will try to keep POT > > regenerated quickly during that time so that changes are seen as early > > as possible. > > > > Are those details helpful? > > > Yup, definitely I do understand especially the 'soft' part, thank you. > > One day after this post, I had the chat with rudi. > Because it is 'soft' deadline, I rather started worrying about if docs > is suffering from 'translate beta rel-note' item. What if we remove this > task, then does it help docs to have a little more time to concentrate > on beats without porting by very last minutes? > > If so, I think of what trans miss out from here then is the chance of > translation inclusion for Beta PA. But as already pointed, we are still > able to work the GA. I can't speak for the whole team, obviously. :-) But I think that the Beta relnotes are a worthwhile goal. We need that milestone to make sure that developers are getting content in. If we wait until the Beta -> GA phase to ask for them, the problem will get worse and not better. Rather, we ought to do a better job of observing the schedule that we passed earlier in the cycle, and communicating within the Docs team if we're running a risk of not hitting something, so that many people can participate where needed. Last night we proved we have the ability to make things happen quickly, it's just better not to have to do it! :-) It looks like we will have POT coming out by 2010-03-19 UTC 0300. At last night's session, I believe the Docs team committed to keeping POT more regularly up to date, and getting RPMs into the updates stream for F13 so that they can see their work as it progresses. I'll be helping wherever I can as well. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- docs mailing list docs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/docs
