-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 00:02:47 #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 00:02:47 Meeting started Thu Aug 27 00:02:47 2009 UTC. The chair is Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 00:02:47 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 00:02:54 #topic Roll Call 00:02:55 * Sparks 00:03:38 * rudi is here 00:03:56 * itbegins here 00:05:18 * Sparks wonders where everyone is today 00:06:24 * laubersm is here 00:07:05 Okay, lets get started... 00:07:11 #topic Last week's action items 00:07:23 Sparks to create BZ component Deployment Guide --Third alarm 00:07:31 Finally done. 00:07:43 Sparks to write up CVE checking/validation procedures in the wiki --third alarm 00:07:48 Still in progress 00:07:56 #action Sparks to write up CVE checking/validation procedures in the wiki 00:08:08 quaid to follow up with Mizmo on the Zikula theme 00:08:13 quaid: You around? 00:08:42 I know Mo has been working on the Zikula theme. I'm sure this is in progress. 00:08:56 rudi to follow up with Jeff about changing the license information in Publican 0.44 and 1.0 00:09:10 rudi: Got an update? 00:09:21 We're still a few steps away from that 00:09:26 * ianweller rolls in 00:09:45 I can report a little on the theme, depending on what you want to knwo 00:10:04 rudi: Okay, I'll put it down for next week so we can talk about it again. 00:10:11 Yep 00:10:14 #action rudi to follow up with Jeff about changing the license information in Publican 0.44 and 1.0 00:10:18 ianweller: Go 00:10:40 about my part of it? the writing up of the announcement? 00:11:32 Sparks: hi? 00:11:42 the theme 00:11:48 oh for zikula 00:12:05 hmm i'm not sure what i need to say, other than taht school is eating me alive 00:12:14 * ianweller wasn't sure he had anything assigned for zikula right now 00:12:37 Sparks: You mean me? 00:12:39 ianweller: Opps.. sorry 00:12:46 itbegins: Yeah, I meant you. sorry 00:12:49 quaid: yep, zikula theme is all rolling for FI 00:12:55 * Sparks is not doing a good job of multitasking tonight 00:13:05 * quaid either 00:13:07 mizmo is in progress on the theme: http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/ 00:13:17 and Zikula is getting rolled out to staging 00:13:35 and things are prepared in the repo (ideally) so she can have related Docs theme in there to make a Docs-specific RPM of the theme (AIUI) 00:13:44 or I'm confused and it's all going to run from one instance, one theme 00:14:06 quaid: One filesystem instance, mutliple databases -> multiple themes 00:14:21 I think I'm confused; that was my old idea, but Paul said we'll likely all be on the same instance 00:14:36 i.e turning on docs.fedoraproject.org Zikula is a case of installing a few new packages and updating the config file 00:14:50 ok 00:15:34 Okay, we'll come back to Zikula in a little bit for a more indepth discussion. 00:15:45 quaid to follow up with Richard about the use of the CC logo on the wiki. 00:15:50 quaid: Got an update on this? 00:17:16 ;/me sneaks in late... 00:17:26 quaid: hello? 00:18:48 Okay, quaid must have rushed off... 00:18:59 Any more old business? 00:19:06 #action quaid to follow up with Richard about the use of the CC logo on the wiki. 00:19:29 #topic Status on CMS (Zikula) 00:19:44 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status 00:19:58 itbegins: So what is the status on rolling out Zikula for docs.fp.o? 00:20:24 Sparks: well, we're still waiting on those modules held up with license problems I think 00:20:43 Sparks: but marketing have kindly packaged a couple of modules we can use for the docs instance too. 00:20:50 Sadly not the blockers for the docs instance 00:21:14 I think we both need at least one editor to go with Scribite. 00:21:28 * Sparks hasn't had any time to even look at packaging one of those. 00:21:37 yes,that's true 00:22:16 Sparks: sorry, phone call 00:22:23 do you want to hear about the CC logos? 00:22:53 quaid: That will be the next topic 00:23:02 itbegins: Okay so we are close but not there 00:23:17 itbegins: Does marketing have everything they need to roll out their instance? 00:24:21 apart from a visual editor, probably 00:24:24 after a last minute scramble with chitlesh++, bobjensen++, toshio++ getting a few last minute packages done last night/today 00:24:26 though things may still come up 00:24:34 oh! no visual editor? heh heh 00:25:24 So we need one of the editors packaged 00:25:32 anyone want to stand up to take that task? 00:26:52 * danielsmw can try if no body else will, but he's never successfully packaged anything... 00:27:25 danielsmw: Well, this would be a good time to start being successful... there are templates for the SPEC and everything 00:27:25 Also I haven't been involved in this process at all so far 00:27:40 Sparks: Alright, well... 00:27:48 I suppose I can give it a shot and report back next week. 00:28:19 danielsmw: I'm sure ianweller or someone will be around to help 00:28:35 #action danielsmw to package an editor for Scribite 00:28:46 Okay, anything else on Zikula? 00:29:04 * quaid notes Beacon was accepted for F10/F11 00:29:13 but I guess it's not integrated? 00:29:18 danielsmw: Try pinging Toshio, he is involved with Zikula packaging 00:29:20 * danielsmw really likes beacon, btw. 00:29:22 quaid: And Beacon is the DocBook editor? 00:29:24 itbegins: Will do 00:29:27 Sparks: yep 00:29:45 Sparks: well, it's a web wysiwyg editor that now has upstream code to read/write docbook :) 00:29:48 Yeah, we need to get that integrated 00:30:17 satya has it running on a publictest instance, we can look at how to use it plain, too 00:30:22 * quaid is wandering topics now 00:31:02 Okay, let's move on. Lots of work to be done on Zikula but things are starting to come together 00:31:14 #topic Status on CC license rollout. 00:31:22 quaid: So what's the skinny on the CC logos? 00:31:53 ok 00:31:59 I read and read that page 00:32:03 http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-August/msg00075.html 00:32:16 and it's clear that the ball is in Richard's court with folks from Creative Commons 00:32:36 And we haven't heard back from him on this, yet. 00:32:37 it only having been a few weeks ... and he being a proactive and busy guy ... I think we have our clear answer for now 00:32:44 and will hear when there is something more 00:33:10 ianweller: Do you have the text for the wiki? 00:33:28 I would put this on the back-burner; don't forget about it, but revisit if a month goes by, then prod for a status. 00:33:44 so ... a few more weeks at least, then see if we can kindly get a status. :) 00:33:54 Well, we can go ahead with the change over, use the text version of the license, and change later as necessary 00:33:58 * danielsmw has to go, sorry for the short visit. 00:33:59 yes 00:34:02 ciao danielsmw 00:34:06 au revoir. 00:34:07 danielsmw: Have a good day! 00:34:11 Sparks: Thanks! 00:34:41 #action ianweller to bring to the list the text for the CC license for the wiki so it can be approved 00:35:03 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule 00:35:17 ^^^ That is the timeline if anyone would like to take a peek at it. 00:35:56 I guess we are still waiting on the text being approved and then we can move on to step 4. 00:36:27 rudi: So what needs to happen to get the license changed in Publican for step 6? 00:37:19 The people involved in doc publishing could do it at any time by hacking their Publican 0 installs 00:38:12 rudi: Yeah, but I want to push it to everyone. That way there is 1) no confusion, 2) no differences, 3) and everyone does it. 00:38:44 I think it's unlikely that any more changes are forthcoming to brand packages for 0 00:38:52 since 1 handles brands so differently. 00:39:28 (And we're not quite up to testing brands in 1) 00:40:02 Well, that's a problem. 00:40:17 If 1 isn't out then 0 still needs to be supported 00:40:19 um, hmm 00:40:26 Not really; there are very few people actually publishing 00:40:36 is there any technical reason not to change brand pkg for 0? 00:40:49 it's just text strings, right? 00:41:05 and I'm quite happy to wrap those notices up in the package that I've got parked on my Fedora people page. 00:41:10 quaid -- correct. 00:41:18 No technical reason 00:41:22 Well if we get new people in we should be able to say "install publican" not "install publican and then do all these changes before you can use it" 00:41:29 rudi: is CS waiting to rebuild RHEL guides with the new license until 1.x handles brands? 00:41:32 * ianweller notes his action item and makes a sticky note 00:41:39 ianweller: Thank you 00:41:56 rudi: Can you adopt the brand and just make the changes there? 00:42:04 rudi: Or one of us? 00:42:25 Sparks - I can check into that. 00:42:28 does publican need a co-maintainer for the package? 00:42:38 * Sparks thinks 1.x should be released as publican-devel 00:42:53 -devel has a specific meaning, though 00:43:10 or was that a joke! 00:43:23 rudi: I'm not saying anything bad about Jeff... I know he's busy and he has this new tool he's putting a lot of effort into. But we still need the old tool to work for now. 00:43:25 because if it was, very funny! just don't tell it to jfearn if you are on the same continent. 00:43:46 quaid: I thougth -devel was for the development version of a package... a beta 00:43:51 nope 00:43:57 Sparks: -devel is development headers 00:44:00 yep 00:44:03 in C, those would be the .h files 00:44:06 Sparks -- yeah, but "work" for about three people :) 00:44:22 Sparks: and Publican was originally proposed as 'docs-devel', with much arguing about why that wasn't OK and such 00:44:58 rudi: sorry, where is the approv text for the license page? or proposed-and-under-review? 00:45:00 Well... I don't know. I'd like it to be in the repos... :) 00:45:28 rudi: it's not the people count, it's the F12 release 00:45:35 we have a dependency on a workingn tool for the F12 release 00:45:43 quaid -- proposed and review version is here : http://rlandmann.fedorapeople.org/license/ 00:45:54 we've had a rocky time for three releases with Publican feature status 00:46:06 The source is in the Publican repo already 00:46:20 and I thought with RHEL content upstream out here using Publican, it would work for Fedora :) 00:48:06 Sparks: well, there is no moving backward for now, so if Publican upstream isn't going to issue an update we can use, we'll have to do manual process around it again. 00:48:47 * Sparks thinks hijacking the package is an option... :) 00:48:50 quaid: Yeah 00:48:52 (Fedora *is* the Publican upstream) 00:49:13 Okay, anything else on the license changeover? 00:49:25 what is the reason for not pushing the brand update? 00:51:30 * quaid wonders if he has bad breath? 00:51:49 rudi: ^^^ 00:52:31 sorry, I haven't been reading publican-list; you can tell me to read the archives, if that's it 00:52:39 Basically that energies are elsewhere at the moment 00:53:09 can we have a packager apply to be co-maintainer? 00:53:19 we can get some help to do the work, if that's the block. 00:53:43 I'll ask :) 00:53:47 https://fedorahosted.org/publican/browser/branches/0.45/publican-fedora/en-US/Legal_Notice.xml is the old stuff 00:54:22 sparks, stickster, ke4qqq, or ianweller would all be good choices 00:54:53 Yes, because the new is here: https://fedorahosted.org/publican/browser/trunk/publican-fedora/en-US/Legal_Notice.xml 00:55:36 what's the bz for this? 00:56:34 For what? 00:57:12 the bz for publican-fedora requesting the license update 00:57:42 I don't know that there is one 00:57:44 Might not be 00:57:54 heh, ok 00:58:05 rudi: thanks, that XML was helpful; I'm building a book I want to be clearly under the CC 00:58:19 NP 00:58:50 rudi: and many thanks for working on the update of the content 00:58:51 If it's your own book, you might want to include the CC logo too ;) 00:59:09 * quaid is doing a Red Hat branded book, so knows the answer to that already 00:59:10 I know I would :) 00:59:14 Ah OK :) 00:59:49 NO CC LOGO IN PRINT!!! :) 01:00:33 Okay... anything else on this topic? 01:01:04 Action -- rudi to investigate getting a co-maintainer for 0 01:01:16 #Action -- rudi to investigate getting a co-maintainer for 0 01:01:20 * quaid thinks he can do that? 01:01:49 Let me test the waters first :) 01:02:30 Okay, lets move on to the last few topics so we can wrap things up for the day 01:02:39 #topic Guide needs? 01:02:48 Does anyone need anything for their guide? 01:03:14 #topic New Guides 01:03:22 How about new guides? Any of them? 01:04:22 Okay, there is a new guide in the works... 01:05:12 there will be an Amateur Radio Guide coming out discussing the various pieces of software in Fedora for hams 01:05:24 Any others? 01:05:51 #topic All other business 01:06:01 * laubersm is available for proofreading 01:06:06 Okay, anything else for the meeting? 01:06:09 I have lots of little sturts of time 01:06:15 I have very little predictable time 01:06:29 But ping me and I am happy to review materials... 01:06:30 laubersm: Yeah... understood 01:06:33 Thanks! 01:06:35 I know RN is coming up fast 01:06:47 and IG and UG for example 01:07:23 Thanks laubersm -- I'll be needing you :) 01:07:33 are the guides using Trac for one-task-per-chapter? 01:07:46 there is a workflow we can impose there, with writer owning then passing to an open editor 01:07:51 it's manual ... 01:08:36 Each chapter would be in its own file 01:08:53 The AR Guide will be in git 01:10:08 Anything else? 01:11:24 Okay, thanks everyone for coming tonight! 01:11:27 #endmeeting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Use GnuPG with Firefox : http://getfiregpg.org (Version: 0.7.7) iEYEARECAAYFAkqV3ZYACgkQfQTSQL0MFMEwhgCgyIVs7mVPpWg8C+5NYr04hMFd lgAAnRs42hyuiolykUm+FvNsetds0eO4 =q8W5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- fedora-docs-list mailing list fedora-docs-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list
