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Subject: Re: Release Notes Schedule
John Poelstra さんは書きました:
John J. McDonough said the following on 07/28/2009 04:37 AM Pacific Time:
Noriko
Thank you so much for your careful review
----- Original Message ----- From: "Noriko Mizumoto" <noriko@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: Release Notes Schedule
* 4.7 Translate f-r-n for beta Sep 6 to Sep 26 21d
This seems not consistent with f-12-trans-tasks, which says Sep 9 to Sep
18.
While I stuck with John's dates for the releases, I tried to maximize the
time L10N had available. I wonder whether 9 days is sufficient. I would
expect this cycle that the beta would be the bulk of the release notes
(although I suppose that remains to be seen).
* 4.8 Build f-r-n.rpm for beta Sep 29
A question, there is 2 days blank between 4.7 and 4.8. What is this for?
No good reason
* 6.7 Translate f-r-n for GA Oct 20 to Oct 26 7d
This seems not consistent with f-12-trans-tasks, which says Oct 9 to Oct
16.
The later we can do this the better. Release notes seem to be the last
thing on people's radar, and we tend to discover important changes late,
so the later we can make the POTs the better. Also, the original schedule
had some Docs tasks out of order.
* Review translation not scheduled
Please set up 'Review translation'. Since we translate PO file, so it is
extremely helpful if docs team can build html for review before the
deadline.
That is a really excellent catch. I think we need to work on the
mechanics of this, but it could have a number of advantages.
* 7.4 Translate 0-day
I understand that docs team has little window for Zero Day Update. But
let me become devil this time as experiment. Is any chance that rel-note
team can place this entry before GA Public Availability 3-Nov for
inclusion? Just tiny window is fine. I can not guarantee at all how many
translators can respond.
My expectation was that on release day the 0-day changes would be
available in English only, with an update rpm to follow the release.
However, we are still discussing whether it makes sense to have a single
rpm with six documents in 41 languages, so that may change. It might make
more sense to delay the availability of the update rpm rather than try to
push the POT creation earlier, thus missing late breaking changes. On the
other end, we are going to try to be more proactive in hounding the
developers for release notes input, so maybe we can reduce the number of
those late changes.
--McD
This is a great discussion and it is really exciting to see different
people asking the hard questions and looking for the holes that I used to
try and do all on my own :)
Unfortunately I've found that it is extremely hard (as you may be seeing
already) to create a really solid schedule over email, particularly when
more than one team is involved and questions have been raised in response
to tasks or dates someone has previously suggested.
I would like to propose that we meet on Gobby & FedoraTalk next. So far I
have met with: Design, Release Engineering, Quality, and Marketing to go
over the Fedora 12 schedule this way. I think everyone who attended those
meetings would say they were tremendously efficient and helpful :-)
I am not good at those at all, but will try. Btw, irc is better option
for me ;p
noriko
Could someone set up a meeting time and date using www.whenisgood.net? I
promise to add my availability and create a text version of the existing
schedule that we can then hack through and update together on Gobby. It
helps if I am there so I can capture the dependencies between the tasks
and embed them in the TaskJuggler source file.
Thanks,
John
I think John has the right idea here, but I'm not sure I know who all the
players need to be.
--McD
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