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11:01 < Sparks> <meeting id="Docs Project"> 11:01 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Welcome to the Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings 11:01 < Sparks> Roll Call! 11:01 * Sparks is here 11:01 * stickster is here 11:01 * ke4qqq is here 11:01 < kirkz> is here 11:01 * jjmcd too 11:02 * Sparks waits a few more minutes to allow the rest of the chickens a chance to migrate over 11:02 < ke4qqq> s/migrate over/cross the road 11:02 < Sparks> :) 11:02 < Sparks> Do chickens migrate? 11:02 < Sparks> Would chickens migrate? 11:02 < jjmcd> You'll never know, they keep the couped up 11:03 * stickster facepalm 11:03 * jjmcd has been grokking PIC code today, is a little weird 11:04 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Project - Documentation Schedule - http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/f-11-docs-tasks.html 11:04 < Sparks> Okay... moving right along. 11:04 < Sparks> So I think quaid has been pinging on everyone about this schedule. 11:04 < Sparks> Does anyone have any problems or questions about it? 11:05 * Sparks hears crickets 11:05 < stickster> none here 11:05 * stickster caret stuck on other window 11:05 < ke4qqq> none here either 11:05 < Sparks> Okay. Just making sure... :) 11:05 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Project - CMS Update 11:05 < Sparks> Zikula has been in the test mode for about two weeks. ke4qqq and itbegins have been working out the kinks. Any updates? 11:06 < ke4qqq> I've been hacking on packaging and did a bit this weekend - and thanks to herlo have a much cleaner package - I've passed a few questions up to the packaging gods to see if things are allowed.... 11:06 < ke4qqq> we still have 8-10 modules that will need to be packaged as well 11:06 -!- sdziallas_ [n=sebastia@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:06 < stickster> ke4qqq: Is there a test site viewable at this time, or is that yet to come? 11:07 < ke4qqq> and I also have the conf file that we'll need to get squared away. 11:07 < ke4qqq> pt15 has a test site up and fedora.zikula.org as a test site the Simon setup as well 11:07 < ke4qqq> still some work to do with websites for look and feel I believe 11:08 * stickster sorry to be behind on this 11:08 -!- fab [n=bellet@xxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:08 * ke4qqq hasn't had the time to devote to it that I want or it'd likely already be in review 11:08 < Sparks> ke4qqq: Do we have an estimation on when everything being completed? 11:08 * stickster notes fedora.zikula.org is about 90% fedora-looking, fwiw 11:08 < ke4qqq> yes 11:09 < ke4qqq> Simon did a nice bit of work in mockup 11:09 < ke4qqq> Sparks: honestly no clue - package review will be an issue - esp since we are talking about 10+ packages 11:09 < ke4qqq> and while we don't need that completed to get it up and running 11:10 < ke4qqq> just getting it done will take a bit of time 11:10 < Sparks> ke4qqq: Okay. Keep us informed! 11:10 -!- gregdek [n=gdk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:10 < stickster> ke4qqq: fyi, http://velohacker.com/?p=3756 11:10 < stickster> jeremy is volunteering to do some package review -- this seems like a good opportunity to grab him! 11:10 < ke4qqq> yes - and I have a few other resources who have volunteered to review for docs 11:10 * Sparks wonders if he should switch reviewers/ 11:11 * stickster wonders if he just started a stampede. "Follow the gourd!" 11:11 < Sparks> Anything else for the CMS? 11:11 < ke4qqq> nothing from me 11:11 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Project - Status on Release Notes 11:11 < Sparks> Okay... Those lovely Release Notes... 11:11 < Sparks> Where are we? 11:11 * quaid is here 11:12 < jjmcd> Next week at this time we should be ready to build update for f10 11:12 < quaid> +10 11:12 < jjmcd> Ryanlerch has made a DocBook version from the wiki for f11 test 11:12 -!- jsalisbury [n=chatzill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:13 < jjmcd> I have shared some comments both on the mailing list and offline 11:13 < Sparks> jjmcd: Are you available on Fedora Talk? 11:14 < jjmcd> I am encouraged that mass rebuild as a result of gcc didn't seem to cause mass upheval 11:14 < jjmcd> Sparks I think I can be in a minute 11:14 < Sparks> jjmcd: I'd like to get you and ryanlerch and quaid and anyone else that wants to in a conference room later this week/weekend we we can make that happen. 11:14 < jjmcd> Untested, but I can hear, not so sure about be heard! 11:15 < jjmcd> "that" being? 11:15 -!- hanthana [n=hanthana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:15 < Sparks> Oh... 11:15 * stickster glad to see he's not the only one who abuses pronouns. 11:15 < Sparks> "that" being a conference call on F-Talk. (I'm loosing my mind today) 11:16 -!- Zool^ [n=kaland@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:16 < quaid> Sparks: I can do that somehow 11:16 < jjmcd> Prolly not such a bad plan 11:16 < ke4qqq> you mean you are coming unscrewed? 11:16 < quaid> yep, it's all loose 11:16 < Sparks> ke4qqq: There's a Navy term for that of which I'm pretty sure I can't use here 11:17 < ke4qqq> lol 11:17 -!- ldimaggi_ [n=ldimaggi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:17 -!- ldimagg__ [n=ldimaggi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:17 < Sparks> Okay, so forward motion on the Release Notes... excellent 11:17 < quaid> ok, yeah, I'll take another shot at trying to help the relnotes miss the known bumps. 11:17 -!- ldimaggi_ [n=ldimaggi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit [Client Quit] 11:17 * Sparks loves it when quaid puts himself in the crosshairs 11:17 * quaid is beginning to lose his confidence around ability to write simple, clear instructions 11:17 < Sparks> Anything else? 11:18 < jjmcd> I think we may need to work harder to recruit beat writers 11:18 < jjmcd> I had some thoughts but haven't acted on them yet 11:18 < quaid> +1 11:18 < jjmcd> Prolly need to chat w/Ryan 11:18 < quaid> that's always been the biggest trouble imo 11:18 < ke4qqq> has there been any recruitment via p.fp.o? 11:18 < Sparks> jjmcd: Feel free to share your thoughts 11:18 < Sparks> jjmcd: either here or on the list. 11:18 < quaid> jjmcd: alt. you all could just do stuff and try to pump up the volume. 11:18 < ke4qqq> there was last release but I don't recall seeing any 11:19 < quaid> a lot of noise v. none isn't going to be a problem, is it? 11:19 < jjmcd> I think we do need to push up the volume a bit 11:19 -!- danielsmw [n=danielsm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:19 * quaid reaches for "11" 11:19 < quaid> see, it's one higher than "10" 11:19 -!- kital [n=Joerg_Si@fedora/kital] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:19 < ke4qqq> how appropriate 11:19 -!- lfoppiano [n=lfoppian@fedora/lfoppiano] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:19 < ke4qqq> ahh spinal tap :) 11:20 -!- ldimagg__ [n=ldimaggi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit [Client Quit] 11:20 -!- ldimaggi_ [n=ldimaggi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:20 -!- sdziallas [n=sebastia@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:20 -!- lfoppiano [n=lfoppian@fedora/lfoppiano] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:20 -!- DemonJester [n=DemonJes@fedora/DemonJester] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:21 < Sparks> jjmcd: Well, if you want to write something up please do. We definitely need more people. 11:21 < Sparks> Anything else before we move on? 11:21 -!- lfoppiano [n=lfoppian@fedora/lfoppiano] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:21 < jjmcd> Yeah, I'm heading into report time 11:21 < jjmcd> But need to get on that 11:21 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Project - Status on Installation Guide 11:21 * jjmcd goes heads-down on paperwork ~10-15th of the month 11:22 < Sparks> jjmcd: Understood 11:22 -!- ldimaggi_ [n=ldimaggi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit [Client Quit] 11:22 < Sparks> Any update on the Installation Guide? 11:22 -!- ldimaggi_ [n=ldimaggi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:22 < Sparks> I don't remember who has that project. 11:22 * ke4qqq has it 11:22 * quaid whistles 11:22 < quaid> yeah, him! 11:22 < Sparks> :) 11:22 < ke4qqq> Rudi volunteered to help, lcafiero is my editor, and herlo is going to write the missing network auth section 11:23 < ke4qqq> I'd still like more help, but am far better off than last week at this time 11:23 * danielsmw_ sneaks in quietly and takes a seat. 11:23 < ke4qqq> wow that sounded odd 11:23 < ke4qqq> far better off that this time last week 11:23 * ke4qqq gives up at typing 11:23 -!- Gaaruto [n=Gaaruto@fedora/Gaaruto] has quit ["++"] 11:23 < ke4qqq> I've also run through a couple of installs to notice changes in anaconda 11:24 -!- danielsmw_ is now known as danielsmw 11:24 < ke4qqq> but that's about it at the moment 11:24 -!- lfoppiano [n=lfoppian@fedora/lfoppiano] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:24 < Sparks> ke4qqq: Okay. Good deal. 11:24 < Sparks> Anyone have any questions? 11:24 -!- ldimaggi_ [n=ldimaggi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:24 < quaid> ke4qqq: I'm another hand, pointable at whatever is left on the floor. 11:25 -!- lfoppiano [n=lfoppian@fedora/lfoppiano] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:25 < ke4qqq> quaid: I am trying to disavow knowledge of that at this point 11:25 < ke4qqq> as you'll likely have your hands full 11:25 < ke4qqq> if I get desperate I'll call for help, but I am hoping to pull new bodies to do this. 11:26 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Project - Status on Security Guide 11:26 < Sparks> Well, this is my project... The Brisbane team (mainly Scott) has been working on validating the documentation. I'm still waiting on a few things to be fixed in Publican before I can get the package approved but a PDF is being generated and the docs.fp.o/securityguide is being updated regularly. 11:26 < Sparks> Any questions? 11:26 < quaid> ke4qqq: actually, to be fair, you all are doing such a great job of covering all the angles. 11:26 < quaid> that I found myself unexpectedly light in what I thought I was going to be doing for Docs for this release 11:27 < quaid> so I'm keeping it *all* in reserve for emergencies and pick ups :) 11:27 < ke4qqq> quaid: you ought not jinx us or yourself like that :) 11:27 < jjmcd> Well, you gotta stay loose to watch Lance 11:27 < ke4qqq> Sparks: what's the package blocking on? 11:27 < quaid> <== lighting rod 11:27 < quaid> I can take the shock :) 11:27 < Sparks> quaid: Now go outside... spin around three times and spit! 11:27 < Sparks> ke4qqq: Good golly it is a list! 11:27 < quaid> Sparks: widdershins? 11:28 < ke4qqq> bz ticket #? 11:28 < Sparks> ke4qqq: Apparently Publican matches perfectly for RH packaging standards but not so much with Fedora packaging standards. 11:28 < quaid> done 11:28 < Sparks> ke4qqq: which is amazing because they are supposed to be the same. 11:28 < ke4qqq> :) 11:28 < Sparks> .bug 476471 11:28 < buggbot> Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=476471 medium, low, ---, petersen@xxxxxxxxxx, ASSIGNED, Review Request: fedora-security-guide - A security guide for Linux 11:28 < zodbot> Sparks: Bug 476471 Review Request: fedora-security-guide - A security guide for Linux - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=476471 11:28 < buggbot> Bug 476471: medium, low, ---, petersen@xxxxxxxxxx, ASSIGNED, Review Request: fedora-security-guide - A security guide for Linux 11:28 -!- ldimaggi__ [n=ldimaggi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:29 < Sparks> Well, that was interesting 11:29 < quaid> heh 11:29 < quaid> close 11:29 < Sparks> ke4qqq: So I'm waiting on another version of Publican right now. 11:29 -!- ldimaggi__ [n=ldimaggi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit [Client Quit] 11:29 -!- ldimaggi__ [n=ldimaggi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:29 < ke4qqq> k 11:30 -!- ldimaggi_ [n=ldimaggi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:30 < Sparks> My problems, however, are problems that will affect EVERYONE in Fedora that plan on using Publican for Documentation that will be generating SRPMs 11:31 < Sparks> So I'm trying to identify the problems and have them fixed so Publican will be useable without any slight of hand or trickery. 11:31 < itbegins> Sorry, I'm here now - got called out just as meeting started. fwiw I have nothing to add on the CMS front. 11:31 -!- dwmw2 is now known as dwmw2_gone 11:31 < quaid> +1*10^27 11:31 -!- danielsmw_ [n=danielsm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:31 < ke4qqq> cool 11:31 < ke4qqq> yeah what quaid said 11:31 < quaid> so Publican lead developer said he'd take patches, Perl I presume. 11:32 < quaid> otherwise I doubt we'll see this soon enough; I reckon it's not priority to the Publican community that is !Fedora Project 11:32 < Sparks> quaid: He said he'd take them but didn't say what he'd do with them. 11:32 < quaid> Sparks: well, he may argue about implementation details, but unless he's being intentionall disingenuous ... 11:33 -!- ldimaggi_ [n=ldimaggi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit [Client Quit] 11:33 -!- sdziallas_ is now known as sdziallas 11:33 < quaid> one thing that bothers me so far ... 11:33 < quaid> spot: are you around? 11:33 < quaid> I'd like a definitive from spot or tburke that (Fedora packaging standards) == (Red Hat packaging standards) 11:33 < quaid> or an explanation of the difference and exceptions. 11:34 < Sparks> +1 11:34 < quaid> that's more from a general community member perspective, not really a Docs thing. 11:34 < quaid> I grok that there are exceptions, maybe many hundreds, but they shouldn't make the rule or define how tools should behave. 11:35 < quaid> at least, if what we see from the entire QE and RelEng departments are any indication, the two are equivalent. 11:35 < quaid> </soapbox> 11:35 < Sparks> quaid: Well, can you take the tasker to find out what the difference is between RH and F? 11:36 < quaid> Sparks: aye 11:36 < Sparks> quaid: TU 11:36 < Sparks> Anything else? 11:36 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Project - Status on SELinux Guide 11:37 < Sparks> Okay. This is mdious's project. He isn't awake at this time but I know he's made a lot of progress on this. 11:37 < Sparks> I'll see if I can get more information from him later this week. 11:37 < Sparks> Any questions about this one? 11:37 -!- kital [n=Joerg_Si@fedora/kital] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:38 < quaid> is he doing an FN version or does he need it versionless, cf. SEc Guide? 11:38 < quaid> in terms of the packaging name :) 11:38 -!- nim-nim [n=nim-nim@fedora/nim-nim] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:38 < Sparks> quaid: I don't know. I'm pretty sure he'll be in my boat. 11:38 < quaid> yeah, I'm unclear there. 11:38 < quaid> but otherwise it looks freaking great. 11:38 < Sparks> the packaging name issue will be there until Publican is rewritten. 11:39 < Sparks> Okay... Moving on... 11:39 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Project - Status on User Guide 11:39 < Sparks> This is Matthew's (danielsmw) project and since he usually doesn't get into the meetings until late he sent an email to the list. Did everyone read it? 11:39 < Sparks> danielsmw: You here? 11:39 < danielsmw_> He got here this time though. =) 11:39 < danielsmw_> Yeah, I'm here. 11:39 < danielsmw_> But everyone should have seen my email. 11:39 < danielsmw_> quaid: still planning on doing that at SCaLE? 11:40 < quaid> danielsmw_: darn tootin' 11:40 < quaid> it's in the press release 11:40 < quaid> can't back down now 11:40 < danielsmw_> Okay, great 11:40 < danielsmw_> Well 11:40 * quaid goes to read email to catch right up 11:40 < danielsmw_> A question that I put in the email that I've been thinking about 11:40 < Sparks> danielsmw_: I think I responded to your message with direction on KDE stuff. 11:40 < danielsmw_> is editing directly in XML vs the wiki 11:41 < danielsmw_> Sparks: thanks, let me check it... 11:41 < danielsmw_> Ah, good idea 11:41 < danielsmw_> I'll hop over to fedora-kde later on and try that 11:41 < quaid> danielsmw_: ok, I said some stuff on that earlier this week; did you catch that? 11:41 < Sparks> danielsmw_: the KDE folks seem very helpful and willing to help push "their" packages 11:41 < quaid> on f-docs-l 11:42 < danielsmw_> quaid: Maybe? I usually read the emails but I'm not sure what you mean 11:42 < quaid> in summary, there is an argument that the U_G is a perfect newbie training tool; edit in wiki then help with conversion. 11:42 < danielsmw_> ah, right 11:42 < danielsmw_> yes 11:42 < quaid> v. any other more complex one. 11:42 < quaid> however 11:42 < danielsmw_> Yeah, and I agree with that 11:42 < danielsmw_> So 11:42 < danielsmw_> What I would ideally like to see 11:42 < danielsmw_> Is some hypothetical process where 11:42 < quaid> the other argument is that the wiki is growing as a small-article tool, so we could have people just make the leap, if you feel you can sustain the team. 11:42 < danielsmw_> We... made editing XML very beginner friendly? I'm not sure. 11:43 < danielsmw_> quaid: expand on that? 11:43 < quaid> IMO, the stuff that 'mw-render' pulls from a properly cleaned wiki page 11:43 -!- sonargal [n=Test@fedora/SonarGal] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:43 < quaid> is great learner stuff 11:43 < quaid> you learn how to fit it in to Publican and start editing 11:43 < quaid> but I'm such a non-beginner I might be missing the complexity :) 11:43 < danielsmw_> Heh 11:43 < quaid> danielsmw_: to expand quickly: 11:43 < ke4qqq> it's not 'beginner friendly' - but it's not hard - a few hours and you'll have the basics but the letters X-M-L scare people into thinking it must be akin to writing assembly 11:43 -!- nim-nim [n=nim-nim@fedora/nim-nim] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:44 < jjmcd> Even if it is very beginner friendly, a wiki seems to be less intimidating 11:44 < quaid> if there is enough work on the wiki to keep newbies happy there, then they can just leap to XML when ready; i.e., we don't need a full guide that carries training wheels forever 11:44 < danielsmw_> quaid: okay, I get what you're saying 11:44 < quaid> my gut says we're not there yet, make that an F12 goal perhaps. 11:44 < danielsmw_> Yeah 11:44 < danielsmw_> Either way, that's not my biggest concern right now. 11:45 < danielsmw_> I just want to: 11:45 < danielsmw_> 1. Catch up to the release cycle, and 11:45 < danielsmw_> 2. work on the user friendliness aspects that eawest and I had talked about and started a bit 11:45 -!- iarlyy [n=iarlyy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:46 < danielsmw_> So, unless anyone has any questions.... that's about it, I think. 11:46 < danielsmw_> The only writers I really have right now are myself, eawest when she's around, 11:46 < danielsmw_> and it looks like I may be pulling in kirk, who just joined the list. 11:46 < quaid> danielsmw_: can we set a priority for chapters or work before the FAD? 11:47 < quaid> that is ... 11:47 < kirkz> danielsmw: happy to do what I can 11:47 < Sparks> danielsmw_: Can you make sure kirk knows where all the resources and such are, please? 11:47 < quaid> either set a priority to chapters, or to content (all GNOME first, etc.), or to the rewrite bits 11:47 < danielsmw_> Sparks: I didn't realize it, but he's right there. 11:47 < Sparks> danielsmw_: There ya go! 11:47 < danielsmw_> kirkz: any questions? 11:47 < quaid> and a plan ... are we going to tackle chapters one at a time and do the full work on it, or split up and specialize. 11:47 < danielsmw_> quaid: Yes, we can do that 11:47 < quaid> i.e., I work on restyling, others work on fact checking updates, etc. 11:47 -!- danielsmw [n=danielsm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit [Connection timed out] 11:47 < kirkz> Not smart enough to ask yet :0 11:48 * quaid thinks specialize might work best, but we can also experiment 11:48 < danielsmw_> I'll set priorities this weekend, and then you and I can work on a process 11:48 -!- GeroldKa [n=GeroldKa@fedora/geroldka] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:48 -!- danielsmw_ is now known as danielsmw 11:48 -!- mcepl [n=mcepl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has left #fedora-meeting [] 11:48 < quaid> kirkz: just keep asking questions in #fedora-docs :) 11:48 * danielsmw is glad to be rid of that pesky underscore 11:48 < kirkz> quaid: will do 11:48 < quaid> kirkz: for what it's worth, our join process still sucks a bit, so don't overly blame yourself :) 11:48 -!- iarlyy [n=iarlyy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:49 < Sparks> Okay, we only have about ten minutes left and I have two more topics to discuss. Does anyone have anything else about the User Guide? 11:49 < kirkz> k 11:49 * quaid done 11:49 -!- sdziallas_ [n=sebastia@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:49 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Project - Meeting time change 11:49 < Sparks> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FDSCo_meeting_matrix 11:49 < Sparks> If you haven't already posted your availabilities up on the meeting matrix please do so before next Wednesday. I want to get this fixed by then so we can start incorporating more of our team into our meetings. 11:49 -!- JSchmitt [n=s4504kr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:50 * Sparks thinks we should also rename everything as we don't really have a FDSCo but rather a Docs Team. 11:50 * jjmcd notes that last he looked there weren't any good times, just less sucky than other times 11:50 * danielsmw agrees 11:50 * danielsmw with sparks. 11:50 < Sparks> jjmcd: danielsmw I think it is ALWAYS going to be that way. 11:50 < jjmcd> yep 11:51 -!- willygarcia_ [n=willygar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:51 < Sparks> Well, we can compile all the data and see where it points us. 11:51 -!- sdziallas [n=sebastia@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit [Connection timed out] 11:51 < jjmcd> You would think the IRC gods would gift us with a perfect time 11:51 < Sparks> besides quaid, who else is PST? 11:51 < quaid> not many 11:51 * Sparks is worried about "drive time" PST 11:51 -!- sdziallas_ is now known as sdziallas 11:51 < quaid> apparently no one loves Fedora in Cali 11:52 < Sparks> quaid: You do 11:52 < jjmcd> Well, CA is weird 11:52 < quaid> not many 11:52 < Sparks> Okay... Anything else before I bring up quaid's topic? 11:52 < ke4qqq> quaid doesn't have to worry about 'drive time' does he? 11:52 < Sparks> ke4qqq: I don't think so 11:52 * ke4qqq thought he worked from home and had a never-visited office in mtn view 11:53 < quaid> RHT has an office but I don't have a desk in MTV 11:53 < Sparks> ke4qqq: Which is why I worried about everyone other than quaid 11:53 < ke4qqq> ahhh ok 11:53 < quaid> yeah, drive time doesn't bug me, unless it's also dinner time 11:53 < Sparks> ke4qqq: He's always here! 11:53 * quaid will fill out his stuff 11:53 < Sparks> Anything else? 11:54 -!- fugolini [n=francesc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:54 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Project - DocsProject wiki page changes 11:54 < Sparks> I think this is quaid's since I saw the message go up on f-wiki-l... 11:54 < Sparks> quaid: So you finally went and did it. 11:54 < quaid> ah, yeah 11:54 < quaid> Sparks: did what? 11:55 < Sparks> quaid: Put it all down on... ummm... paper 11:55 < quaid> heh 11:55 -!- k0k [n=k0k@fedora/k0k] has quit ["Saliendo"] 11:55 < Sparks> quaid: I've been trying to control myself from doing it by hand but it seems we may have to. 11:55 < quaid> yeah, we're stuck on the renaming and categories 11:55 < quaid> or rip and replce 11:55 < quaid> to get our process's cleaned up 11:55 < quaid> I'm also tired of people (/me mumbles no names) who are pointing at crufty process content 11:56 < quaid> as canonical, which is our fault for leaving it there and not updating. 11:56 < quaid> but I cannot see how to do this right without a cleanup/rename or rip/replace. 11:56 < quaid> why you ask? 11:56 < ke4qqq> on that note has ian/G provided an update on wikibot recently? and has there been any documentation of how to handle categories in the wikirename psvs? 11:56 < quaid> because when we get every real process page in [[Category:Docs Project process]] ... 11:56 < quaid> we are going to easily see duplicates and holes. 11:57 < quaid> ke4qqq: ian and I have been poking G, yeah, and last request to get the code in to the f'hosted/fedora-wiki project git 11:57 < Sparks> quaid: Okay, if ianweller can't get the bot cranked up by Friday evening let's get a process started at identifying and renaming all the pages and get them in the proper cats 11:57 < quaid> the .psv helps a lot there 11:58 < quaid> we can use it as a guide in renaming, etc. 11:58 -!- Gaaruto [n=Gaaruto@fedora/Gaaruto] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:58 < Sparks> quaid: Well we might need to put it on the wiki and assign people sections. 11:58 < quaid> the hassle is how many pages there are and linking in going through 120 new redirect pages 11:58 -!- Sonar_Guy [n=Baconz@fedora/sonarguy] has quit ["Xchat destroyed by Operating System"] 11:59 < Sparks> quaid: no doubt it will be some work but we have to do it if we are going to be the shining example that we want to be. 11:59 < quaid> word! 11:59 < Sparks> Okay... with seconds left in the hour... anyone have anything else? 11:59 < Sparks> 5 11:59 < Sparks> 4 11:59 < Sparks> 3 11:59 < Sparks> 2 11:59 < Sparks> 1 11:59 < Sparks> Thanks everyone for coming! 12:00 < Sparks> </meeting>
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