http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/Minutes/IRCLog20080520 12:02 < quaid> <meeting> 12:02 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo hangin' out -- roll call and opening number 12:03 < quaid> KarstenWade, estoy aqui 12:03 * stickster present and accounted for 12:03 * couf 12:03 < jsmith> JaredSmith... estoy aqui tambien 12:03 < jsmith> (Well, for various definitions of "here") 12:04 < quaid> ok, I have weird networking stuff but this ssh seems ok, so ... 12:05 * jsmith twiddles the bits on quaid's router 12:05 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo talking -- Elections 12:05 < stickster> Ah, elections. 12:05 -!- mbonnet [n=mikeb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 12:06 -!- mbonnet [n=mikeb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 12:06 -!- dwmw2 is now known as dwmw2_gone 12:06 * stickster hopes quaid didn't disappera 12:06 < quaid> no, I'm here 12:06 < stickster> From the Spanish for "disappear." (apologies.0 12:06 < quaid> I want to troubleshoot but then I'd drop 12:07 -!- Southern_Gentlem [n=notfred@unaffiliated/southerngentlem/x-2894754] has joined #fedora-meeting 12:08 < quaid> ok, anyway 12:08 -!- SMParrish [n=steven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:08 < quaid> I'm beginning to feel like we have too many elections around here :) 12:08 -!- Irssi: #fedora-meeting: Total of 100 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 99 normal] 12:08 -!- SMParrish [n=steven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 12:08 < couf> I second that 12:08 < quaid> and I'm a bit unclear if we have achieved the steps to setup a new Chair around here. 12:09 < quaid> so I'm open for discussion on the topic in that vein and others 12:10 < couf> unfortunately the new-to-be chair isn't around :-/ 12:10 < stickster> Yeah, it's difficult to have this conversation without him 12:11 < quaid> ok 12:11 < stickster> Has anyone thought about Docs in light of Jef Spaleta's role-based SIG idea, and whether we might actually enjoy *better* success -- and a better ruler against which to measure ourselves -- as a SIG? 12:11 < stickster> That could be total crazy talk. 12:11 < quaid> stickster: um, see ... 12:11 < quaid> that is crazy talk 12:11 < stickster> OK 12:12 < quaid> Docs is a clear example of a subproject 12:12 < quaid> in the role-based SIG world 12:12 < quaid> there would be a Documentor in each SIG focused on that SIG content 12:12 < quaid> and that person is *also* a memmber of the Docs Project (Subproj) 12:12 < quaid> make sense? 12:13 < Southern_Gentlem> or should be 12:13 < quaid> that said, we were discussing governance here a few hours ago, and Jeff didn't even know that we require elections for Projects 12:13 < quaid> Southern_Gentlem: refer to "in the role-based SIG world" 12:14 -!- giarc_w [i=hidden-u@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 12:14 < couf> so basiclly we would be a resource subproject working for the SIGs? 12:15 < quaid> that's basically it 12:15 < stickster> Well, I think what quaid is saying is that we'd "embed" with them 12:15 < stickster> Is that a good characterization of it? 12:15 < quaid> sure 12:15 * couf tries to get the whole role-based SIG concept here 12:15 < couf> right, gotcha 12:15 < quaid> the idea is to get people working on what interests them 12:16 < quaid> and filling roles there more than "packaging" 12:17 < couf> +1 12:17 < quaid> so, elections and governance ... 12:17 < quaid> on-list? 12:17 < quaid> move to, that is 12:18 < stickster> +1 12:18 < couf> maybe, but we *should* get a clear POV from John, personal mail could help 12:18 < couf> just to make sure we don't keep pushing this back 12:20 -!- fraggle_ [n=fraggle@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit ["-ENOBRAIN"] 12:22 < Southern_Gentlem> what can be done to lower the barriers for people to get involved in the docs project 12:22 -!- jmbuser [n=jmbuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 12:22 < jmbuser> JohnBabich late 12:23 < Southern_Gentlem> some people see it a litte extreme to have to get on cvs just to get a tutorial on how to do docs 12:23 < stickster> Southern_Gentlem: You missed last week's meeting :-) 12:23 < stickster> jmbuser! hi! 12:24 < quaid> hey jmbuser 12:24 < jmbuser> quaid: hey 12:24 < quaid> we're discussing governance 12:24 < jmbuser> stickster: hi 12:24 < jmbuser> carry on... 12:24 < stickster> Southern_Gentlem: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-May/msg00032.html 12:24 < quaid> do we need elections, etc. 12:25 < quaid> this often, etc. 12:25 < quaid> I still think it might be an on list discussion 12:25 < quaid> to have. 12:27 < stickster> Me sees that 20 minutes have gone by one topic, and not much said about it. Sounds like a clear "silence gives consent" for the ML. 12:27 < quaid> right on 12:27 < jmbuser> +1 12:27 < quaid> elections discussion on list etc. 12:27 < lfoppiano> Hi all, sry fro delay.... 12:27 < lfoppiano> *for 12:28 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo chilling -- Relnotes, Guides, other content 12:28 -!- RodrigoPadula [n=RodrigoP@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 12:29 < lfoppiano> uhm...I lost elections... .-/ 12:29 < lfoppiano> :s/lost/miss/g 12:29 < quaid> lfoppiano: we're moving the topic to the mailing list 12:29 < quaid> ok, wsa there something to sayabout the relnotes? 12:30 * quaid hsa to be excused for typos, bad connetion, no tim e to edit 12:30 < lfoppiano> no 12:30 < stickster> mdious has been keeping up with these, and we should have a new package rolled later in the week 12:30 < couf> mdious has been syncing in the last bits 12:30 < stickster> Or maybe weekend 12:31 < quaid> ok, UG and other end-user content is second priority after Fedora contributor-oriented content 12:31 < quaid> I created http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tasks/SIGSupport 12:31 < quaid> just so we can track who is "embedded" where 12:32 < quaid> note that Docs is supporting any contributor area, SIG and subproject alike; just put it all on that one page for now. 12:33 < couf> do we want to formalize a process for these guys, and join-pages updates etc 12:33 * stickster has to make a call, will continue lurking here 12:34 < quaid> couf: we could; we also need to talk to the various grops and see what they want to do 12:34 < quaid> can someone add JohnStanley to that page as writing for BugTriage? 12:35 < couf> sure 12:36 < couf> that is if the wiki wants to let me 12:36 < quaid> it'll be better than what I have right now 12:36 * couf can't wait next weeks move 12:36 < quaid> so, update on that 12:37 < quaid> we are doing a premigration on the 23rd 12:37 < quaid> (barring problems) 12:37 < quaid> then doing a re-import of what has changed from 23 to 27 on the 27th 12:37 < quaid> that way we have some days to get things nicer before the actual migration is called 12:37 -!- knurd is now known as knurd_afk 12:37 < quaid> the old wiki will be up for some time in read-only, hidden from search engines mode 12:39 < couf> wow, fast save for slow wiki 12:39 < quaid> ok, so then the next thing is ... 12:39 < quaid> we need to tell folks that Docs is here to help them solve their internal docs problems 12:39 < quaid> maybe just make the GIG a first output along those lines 12:40 < quaid> so, let's add to that SIGSupport page a link to the section in the GIG that corresponds, so we can have the same people own that content creation 12:40 -!- jeff_hann [n=arares@xxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit [] 12:42 < couf> +1 12:43 < jmbuser> +1 12:44 -!- fraggle_ [n=fraggle@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 12:44 * jmbuser makes slowest response in Fedora meeting history 12:44 * quaid is still waiting for his last typing to appear on the screen 12:44 < quaid> oh, wait, it did 12:45 < quaid> ok, then ... 12:45 < couf> so shall we first get some basic "this is how you join Fedora"-instructions into the GIG, then spread the new mantra/offering to the world, and move on? 12:45 < quaid> couf: well, those are already there; GIG can have that, but should focus more on the SIGs/Subprojects 12:45 < quaid> oh 12:45 < quaid> you mean 12:45 < quaid> write that in first, stub out the pages, then announce, "come and fill and get some help with your contrib docs"? 12:46 * quaid sniffs a possible plan 12:46 < couf> yeah 12:46 < quaid> +1 12:46 < jmbuser> cool 12:47 < quaid> anyone feel they have the time to focus on the GIG to make that happen in a short timeframe? 12:47 < couf> I could have a stab at it 12:48 < quaid> coo' couf 12:48 < quaid> Action: couf stab at GIG basic intro/join Fedora 12:48 < couf> check 12:48 < quaid> Action: then we send out announcements about the change in Docs focus/role 12:48 < quaid> Action: meanwhile, feel free to blog about it at some point :) 12:49 * jmbuser needs to start blogging again 12:49 < quaid> word 12:49 -!- juank_prada [n=juanky@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:49 < quaid> get addicted! 12:49 < quaid> ok, anything more on this topic? 12:49 * quaid adds some more actionnotes 12:49 < quaid> Action: election and governance to the list 12:50 < quaid> any other ones I missed? 12:50 < couf> not that I know off 12:50 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo chats -- All Other Bidness 12:51 < quaid> ten minutes to go and the flo' is open 12:51 < couf> time frame on cvs kill? 12:52 < quaid> hmm 12:53 < quaid> reality? F10 or later because of content actively in there, right? 12:53 < quaid> we are maintaining docs back to F8 12:53 < quaid> so we might need it opened until F9 EOLs 12:53 < quaid> that said! 12:53 < couf> ah right gpl and all that 12:54 < quaid> we can move on from here, migrate guides for new work in to fedorahosted.org 12:54 < quaid> couf: also, it works to build from there for those versions, why risk a move? it will be for maintainers only at that point anyway 12:54 < quaid> that's my off-the-cuff assessment 12:55 < couf> sure :) 12:55 < quaid> I'd say, any guides we want to publish for F9+ should get a stand alone fedorahosted.org project, SCM of choice, and rock on 12:56 < quaid> not sure if we have to update any part of bugzilla there or not 12:56 < couf> and toolchain needs to get in there too 12:57 -!- J5 [n=quintice@nat/redhat-us/x-f2a63c3e81ce4477] has joined #fedora-meeting 12:58 -!- sereinity [n=sereinit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit ["su -c'rm -rf /'"] 12:58 < couf> so I might try that after the GIG stuff 12:58 < quaid> aye, that's true 12:58 < couf> as part of my will to work on the toolchain 12:58 < quaid> ok, that's about it 12:58 < quaid> anything else for today? 12:59 < quaid> I'ma closin' 12:59 < couf> +1 12:59 < quaid> 30 12:59 < quaid> ~~ time warp ~~ 12:59 < quaid> 5 12:59 < quaid> 4 12:59 < quaid> 3 12:59 < quaid> 2 12:59 < quaid> 1 12:59 < quaid> </meeting>
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