<quaid> </meeting> <quaid> jmbuser is present, so am I * quaid gets the agenda rolling ... <quaid> stickster was here ... <quaid> so three of us at least <quaid> EvilBob: it's your topic up first, btw * ezq (n=ezq@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) has joined #fedora-meeting * quaid has changed the topic to: FDSCo mtg -- Mailing list spam and moderation * stickster here <quaid> hmm, without Bob I don't think we get the full impatc <quaid> but aiui <quaid> he was concerned with list moderators stepping on each other <quaid> outside of designating hours of coverage (horrors!) <quaid> I think we just have to be careful <quaid> and make sure we know what we are rejecting <quaid> for this I use the Mailman WebUI to be sure <jmbuser> quaid: Is there any way to prevent the spam mail from cloggin up my webmail? <jmbuser> s / cloggin / clogging / <quaid> filters? <quaid> also ... <quaid> Mike was going to adjust our filters <quaid> but afaict he hasn't <quaid> I don't know quite what to do there and haven't found anyone who can help * quaid tries not to say M I K E ' s name so as to not distract him from FAS2 fun <jmbuser> The signal-to-noise ratio drops drastically with spam and causes me to miss real information <quaid> hmm <quaid> I'm not sure if the spam filters drop the message before it gets to the queue <quaid> I'll drop mike an email about the filters <jmbuser> thanks <quaid> ok, that's about what we can do <quaid> jmbuser: are you using the web interface for moderating? or still using the reply-to in the email stuff? <stickster> Hm, I haven't seen any spam on f-docs-l. <jmbuser> quaid: web interface <stickster> Maybe it's my Gmail at work? <quaid> stickster: it doesn't land on list, it hits the moderation queue <stickster> Oh that. * mkranz (n=mkranz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) has joined #fedora-meeting <quaid> so it's moderator email that you see <quaid> ok, anything else here? <stickster> *AH*. I've been getting a BOATLOAD of that on f-a-b and f-board-l that I do have to moderate, so fair enough. <quaid> stickster: mike figured out a formula for using RHT set spam assassin headers <stickster> quaid: I've been considering simply rejecting email from non-subscribers, at least on f-board-l. <quaid> I just sent him email, once I get the details, i'll publish and advertise to list admins <quaid> stickster: then you lose the people who we ask to reply to the board <stickster> s/non-subscribers/non-subscribers who aren't preapproved/ <quaid> aiui, the SA headers are present and can be used by Mailman <stickster> Aha <stickster> OK, not to drive this into the ground, sorry all. <quaid> I just want to avoid re-doing Mike's figuring here, so I'll see what he says, then try it on f-docs-l ...etc. <quaid> ok, moving on ... <stickster> If it works, let me know and I'll follow suit * quaid looks back up 9 lines in his buffer <quaid> yep * quaid has changed the topic to: FDSCo mtg -- Access to wiki/Docs content and what content belongs there <quaid> did we talk about this before? <quaid> I thought we agreed that, following the MW move <quaid> , we would deprecate Docs and remove ACLs <quaid> s/Docs/Docs and Docs/Drafts/ <jmbuser> quaid: sorry, can you clarify that a bit? <quaid> ok <quaid> based on the WikiGardening scheme <quaid> we have two major areas: <quaid> project-specific and content-specific <quaid> and within that a set of common trees to layout <quaid> e.g.: <quaid> Virt/QuickStart/9/Draft <quaid> Virt/QuickStart/9/ <== real thing <quaid> etc. * quaid always gets this order in correct <quaid> in other words, we are flattening the structure up a few levels and removing a Docs/ specific area <quaid> because the idea is, wiki = community documentation all by ytself <jmbuser> makes perfect sense <quaid> ok, I thought we discussed this but I don't really see anything updated anywhere on that ... <jmbuser> Are there any more agenda items we should discuss? <stickster> quaid: That's correct, we did agree to remove "Docs/" from the namespace. <quaid> sorry, yes ... * stickster dragged off again, sorry. <quaid> I was trying to figure some stuff out to no avail * quaid has changed the topic to: FDSCo mtg -- content updates <stickster> Disagreement last week came with the question of hierarchies and how useful they are on the wiki. <stickster> I can take them or leave them, no biggie. <quaid> well, that's true <quaid> I guess ... * zydoon (n=fzied@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) has joined #fedora-meeting <quaid> I think we should define a standard that people can choose to follow <stickster> I think search levels the playing field -- when we have a wiki where that's worth something :-) <stickster> Then hierarchies make sense. * quaid has changed the topic to: FDSCo mtg -- wiki structure <stickster> heh <quaid> stickster: sorry, when do hier. make sense? <stickster> Sorry, I skipped Step 2 in my brain. <stickster> 2. As long as there are Docs people to herd the cats (pages). <quaid> a <quaid> h <zydoon> ZiedFakhfakh <quaid> that is sort of a given <quaid> we must have more wiki watchers <stickster> Well, I use "make sense" loosely <stickster> I mean "are no less tolerable than any other method" :-) <stickster> Otherwise we're building process for no purpose. <quaid> and more watchers == more guidelines so we aren't reteaching the same stuff <quaid> well <stickster> *nod <quaid> codification of what is already there v. creating from scratch <quaid> man! <quaid> question: <stickster> heh <quaid> should Docs own this wiki project management function? <quaid> or do we need a Wiki SIG? * jwb sighs * quaid eyes jwb <quaid> speak lad! * JSchmitt (n=s4504kr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) has joined #fedora-meeting <jwb> i don't want to place more burden on Docs, but a Wiki SIG sounds like a failure for using a Wiki at all <jwb> Wiki == anyone and everyone can change stuff <quaid> right <quaid> and as we make it easier to get a wiki account <quaid> that means more of that <quaid> I guess I don't mind it as a Docs function, myself; it seems to make sense, in that a wiki == community documentation so is a Docs function, right? <jwb> that's what i was thinking, but i might be misunderstanding your overall resources and scope <quaid> to answer my own question, i think we need to own it and work it hard and recruit for help whilst enabling the poor buggers <jwb> anyway, don't put too much weight to my comments <quaid> part of that is encouraging active page "ownership" by content/subject matter experts <quaid> and having an army of fixers and watchers who keep things tidy :) <quaid> WikiAntz <jmbuser> I think a wiki can be accessible to all and still have areas that need more structure and control with limited access <jmbuser> as well as WikiAntz * quaid just wants a CMS for the structure and control parts, but ph34rs that horse is a'dyin' <quaid> *sigh* <quaid> this is a list discussion we need to get active on, imo * jwb likes the term WikiAntz <quaid> so I'm going to move it there, maybe after I clean up some unclarities in WikiGardening <quaid> people could watch pages by alphabet <quaid> just set A.* in your watch area to watch all the A-stuff * quaid picks [XxYyZz.*] <quaid> ok, then, if there are no objections to that motion ? * Milanito (n=Matt@xxxxxxxxxxxx) has joined #fedora-meeting * quaid has changed the topic to: FDSCo mtg -- content updates <quaid> I'll do the ones I know for the record, then EOF <quaid> * relnotes -- working with mdious, stickster and I are imparting knowledge; I did BIG updates to the processes last night, check DocsProject/WorkFlow to get started; DP/Wiki2XML tells all for now; updates are coming in; push more people to provide more updates <quaid> blog, blog, blog <quaid> * DUG -- worked with Marc yesterday to get him started with CVS skel; he has the wiki2xml notes; we're planning next picking a chapter (Introduction.xml) and doing it one step at a time; this lets us check the modern how-it's-done-in-this-Moin-version so we can update e.g. release-notes/devel/xmlbeats <quaid> * SMG -- still need feedback to jsmith on the conversion; with this feedback he may be able to give more help to the wiki2xml notes <quaid> EOF <quaid> if there is no one to speak for the others ... <quaid> I think the AG is in a similar boat as the DUG; we're just trying to get one done and converted <stickster> There are a lot of things hinging on people getting up to speed on XML conversion issues <quaid> DUG addendum -- paul and I have done some edits on there for finalization; wish there were more people who could do that or learn to do that final edit <stickster> I just found out that I may be unavailable for a lot of Sunday, because my realtor wants an open house all day. <stickster> quaid: +1 that, no one else has signed up even for wordsmithing. <stickster> jmbuser: Pls. ensure that ^^ makes it into the minutes. <quaid> stickster: got a moment to drop a beg for wordsmithing to the list? <quaid> I mean, there are competent editors out there <stickster> You got it man <quaid> and the StyleGuide is clear * stickster composes <quaid> in fact, I listed out all the specific areas to check in the fixes I did last night * quaid pulls up a link * fcrippa (n=fcrippa@xxxxxxxxxxxx) has joined #fedora-meeting <quaid> ok, meanwhile ... * glezos_afk (n=glezos@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) has joined #fedora-meeting * quaid has changed the topic to: FDSCo mtg -- Any other bidness? <glezos_afk> LUG meeting took longer than usual :/ <jmbuser> glezos_afk: Greetings <glezos_afk> sorry guys <quaid> np <quaid> stickster: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#WikitoDocBookXML * stickster does a beg <stickster> OK, well I missed that part, but the beg was for low-hanging fruit anyway. * glezos_afk is now known as glezos <quaid> right o <quaid> if there is no more to discuss ... <quaid> ? * quaid closing in 10 seconds <quaid> 5 ... <quaid> </meeting> -- fedora-docs-list mailing list fedora-docs-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list
