The raw text is below, and attached is a nice output from irclog2html.py :) 09:06 < stickster> :-) 09:06 < quaid> there :) 09:07 < stickster> Relnotes translation status is documented on wiki at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Translation/Statistics 09:07 < couf> hah :) 09:07 < stickster> Making great progress in smaller modules. Release notes module, less so. 09:07 < stickster> There are several locales for relnotes done, though -- notably es, pt, pt_BR and sr if memory serves 09:07 < stickster> I think el and zh_CN are either done or almost done too 09:07 < quaid> should we drop an email to the in-danger languages? is that easily done? 09:08 < stickster> I don't have membership on the per-lang lists, but I can certainly send an email to f-trans-l with a summary 09:09 < couf> <dreaming>1 e-mailadress to all lang-lists</dreaming> 09:09 * stickster shakes couf awake 09:09 < glezos> Here are some key people for languages: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Teams 09:10 * couf thanks stickster 09:12 * glezos will send an email to -trans-de (german) 'cause they seem a bit inactive 09:12 < stickster> glezos: You may be able to just forward my email -- going to f-trans-l in a minute or two 09:12 < glezos> ok 09:14 < quaid> well ... anything else to do there? 09:14 < quaid> when do we have to drop the package to RelEng 09:15 < stickster> Around the 10th AIUI 09:15 < stickster> I will certainly coordinate with Jesse since I'll see him in DS 09:15 < stickster> *SD 09:15 < quaid> ok 09:15 < stickster> It's possible there could be a day or two of slide time given the Summit 09:15 < glezos> stickster: please remember to remind the (new) deadline for translations in your mail 09:16 < stickster> Yup, doing so -- sent it before, sending it again 09:17 < stickster> OK, off 09:18 < stickster> IG status: doing some heavy refactoring today, hope to have the whole thing ready in ~48 hours 09:18 -!- aalamS [n=aalam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:18 < quaid> quick side question ... 09:18 < quaid> are we Ok with the idea of merging all project tasks into DP/Tasks? 09:19 < quaid> it's "different" from other projects; we adoped the TaskSchedule from e.g. FESCo, and I sort of hate it :) 09:19 * stickster gives +1, we need to simplify... and I hate it too :-) 09:19 < quaid> ok 09:19 * quaid works on that in the background, so he can get a list of "Guides for F7" on Tasks 09:20 < glezos> +1 here 09:21 < couf> +1 here aswell 09:22 < jmbuser> simplifying is good 09:23 < stickster> BTW, thanks to the folks cleaning up our project page. Much easier to read and navigate now! 09:23 < jmbuser> JonRob deserves a round of applause 09:23 < couf> +1, thanks JonRob 09:23 < JonRob> jmbuser: you'll make me blush 09:24 < JonRob> glad you'll like it tho :D 09:25 < glezos> :) 09:25 * quaid does a golf clap 09:25 < quaid> jmbuser: tell us about CompleteReference 09:26 < glezos> this is a great example on how a new member could do something really useful for a project 09:26 < quaid> fresh perspective + enthusiasm == life blood :) 09:27 < JonRob> the DP/Tasks page would be a good addition to the join page 09:27 < JonRob> help other newbies get involved 09:27 < quaid> yes! 09:27 < quaid> that is exacly the reason, to get all the real tasks in one place, organizes by difficulty, etc. 09:28 < JonRob> yeah 09:28 < JonRob> cool :D 09:28 < couf> indeed, keep it simple and people will want to jump in 09:29 < glezos> a list with simple, hands-on tasks each one having a mentor is a great way to encourage new members to get their hands dirty and have fun 09:29 < quaid> right ... instead of jamming all on that page, if a sub-project (e.g. release notes) needs lots of tasks, then we can just reference a sub-page (DP/Tasks/ReleaseNotes) 09:30 < JonRob> quaid: take away from the fear of random wiki edits! 09:30 < JonRob> (probably just me on that one :D) 09:31 < jmbuser> jmbuser: random wiki-editing is fun 09:31 * jmbuser talks to himself 09:32 < JonRob> lol 09:32 < couf> jmbuser: you seem to like doing that :-) 09:32 < jmbuser> couf: only lately :-) 09:32 * quaid wonders what happened to the Wiki patch that kept the table from floating under the darn right nav 09:32 < couf> well then an FYI: I'm working on to small FDP-howto's (wiki-2-xml and publishing to docs.fp.org) 09:32 < quaid> cool 09:33 < quaid> although on the later ... 09:33 < quaid> latter 09:33 < quaid> that exists, doesn't it? 09:33 < couf> yeah, but more refining it 09:33 < quaid> ok 09:33 < quaid> don't kill yourself on it, since we are sunsetting that method 09:33 * quaid didn't want to say "killing" 09:33 < couf> i've got some .conf-file around, making it just copy-paste -> restarting apache 09:34 < couf> quaid: gotcha 09:34 < stickster> couf: There is part of the publishing to docs.fp.org in the /cvs/fedora branch README 09:34 < stickster> couf: You may be able to leapfrog using that 09:34 < couf> stickster: thanks, didn't see that file 09:34 < stickster> under config/HOWTO* 09:36 < couf> well it's just mentioning a sort of differnet approach (alternative method), for people already running a site 09:36 < stickster> couf: cool 09:37 < couf> okay, should we move on? 09:38 < jmbuser> +1 09:38 < stickster> =1 09:38 < stickster> +1, sorry 09:39 < couf> we've had the IG, so that makes: admin guide and/or FUG 09:39 < quaid> so for the other guides 09:39 < quaid> I don't see us having them ready w/ translations by F7 09:39 < quaid> ready, yes; l10n, no 09:39 < quaid> which is not optimal, but its ok 09:40 < jmbuser> quaid: I have to agree with the FUG not being ready for translation 09:40 < quaid> so the list of target guides is: Installation, Administration, (New) Users ... 09:40 < quaid> Yum ... 09:40 < quaid> (Software Management) 09:40 < quaid> anything else? 09:41 < couf> guess not, we shouldn't go too far with this 09:41 < couf> having 4 guides ready will be nice 09:42 < quaid> yes, we can look at producing more between releases 09:42 < quaid> I see two general classes of guides 09:42 < quaid> one is essential to have with a new release 09:42 < quaid> those help you install, use, and administrate the system 09:42 < quaid> the other kind are more bonus, and go into different areas people care about 09:42 < quaid> some of those other kind may end up getting pulled later into e.g. Administrationg guide 09:43 < quaid> those are the "how to run your own repo" and etc. types 09:44 < JonRob> has the docs project ever considered trying to establish a set of less formal guides, to compliment the formal ones? 09:44 < quaid> how do you mean less-formal? 09:45 < quaid> wiki-based or? 09:45 < JonRob> quaid: good question, there's loads of info spread around fedora forums etc that are useful (and that don't have legal/patent issues) 09:45 < JonRob> but they're so scattered 09:45 < quaid> right 09:46 < JonRob> might be nice to have something that makes those easier to find 09:46 < JonRob> not same quality 09:46 < JonRob> but useful none the less 09:46 < quaid> well, all the fedoraunity sites are under the OPL, so that is one souce 09:46 -!- Netsplit pratchett.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mether, stickster, tsAWAY, vpv, jmbuser, couf 09:46 < quaid> once we have document publishing out of the Wiki, we can turn the Wiki into 100% community collaborate documentation 09:46 < quaid> whoops 09:46 < quaid> hold on until the net desplits 09:46 -!- Netsplit over, joins: jmbuser 09:46 -!- mether [i=ask@fedora/mether] has joined #fedora-docs 09:46 -!- Netsplit over, joins: stickster, couf, vpv, tsAWAY 09:47 < JonRob> sure 09:47 < JonRob> what was that? 09:47 < jmbuser> stickster: What happened? 09:48 < stickster> wacky 09:48 < quaid> netsplit 09:48 < quaid> we waited for you :) 09:48 < quaid> only thing I said was ... 09:48 < quaid> once we have document publishing out of the Wiki, we can turn the Wiki into 100% community collaborate documentation 09:48 < stickster> roger that 09:49 < quaid> JonRob: netsplit is when the servers we are chatting on drop their connection; we are all connected to a random IRC server that is all part of an IRC network, and sometimes a server splits off, then comes back 09:49 < quaid> (e.g. those guys were all on pratchett.freenode.net) 09:49 < JonRob> quaid: thanks :D 09:49 < glezos> Ideally we'll be able to fix the defragmentation of our docs and get them all in a "bigger picture" thing.. although low-level they will be modular. 09:49 < glezos> with the publication from the wiki we might be able to get this "right". 09:50 < jmbuser> +1 09:50 < quaid> yep 09:50 < quaid> it's going to be quite a productive summer with the two GSoC projects solving long standing problems :) 09:51 < jmbuser> yes! 09:52 < couf> will be great :) 09:52 < JonRob> is there anywhere with details on these longstanding problems?! 09:52 < stickster> let's hope so! 09:52 < stickster> oops, I meant that as a response to quaid 09:52 < JonRob> lol 09:53 < jmbuser> JonRob: May I humbly recommend http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlowIdeas ? 09:53 * jmbuser shamelessly plugs his doc 09:53 < JonRob> jmbuser: thanks 09:56 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Plone#head-bd3aef95681e959064f783eba789c6288d8f8b7b 09:56 < quaid> that's a good summary of one of the problems/solutions 09:57 < jmbuser> quaid: agreed 09:58 < JonRob> sounds like it will be useful once plone arrives! 10:00 * quaid sits down with some breakfast 10:00 < quaid> one of those days where the effort to make coffee is too much 10:00 < quaid> ok, what else ... 10:00 * stickster buried in PXE server provisioning 10:01 < quaid> whee! 10:02 < quaid> so, I'm going to get the Tasks page updated .... 10:02 < quaid> and I'll get the list-o-Guides up there as tasks 10:03 < quaid> anything else of the "other business" sort? 10:04 < couf> don't think so 10:04 < quaid> ok, then ... 10:04 * quaid does the final thirty second count down 10:04 < stickster> nope, nada here 10:05 < quaid> thanks for attending all 10:05 < jmbuser> quaid: Thanks 10:05 < JonRob> cheers all 10:05 < quaid> ... and thanks to our families and friends who put up with us giggling at IRC jokes in the middle of a Sunday :) 10:05 < quaid> 5 10:05 < quaid> 4 10:05 < quaid> 3 10:05 < quaid> 2 10:05 * quaid looks at stickster for the final joke 10:05 < quaid> 1 10:05 < quaid> </meeting>Title: fedora-docs.log
fedora-docs.log
| quaid | <meeting> | 09:06 |
|---|---|---|
| stickster | :-) | 09:06 |
| quaid | there :) | 09:06 |
| stickster | Relnotes translation status is documented on wiki at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Translation/Statistics | 09:07 |
| couf | hah :) | 09:07 |
| stickster | Making great progress in smaller modules. Release notes module, less so. | 09:07 |
| stickster | There are several locales for relnotes done, though -- notably es, pt, pt_BR and sr if memory serves | 09:07 |
| stickster | I think el and zh_CN are either done or almost done too | 09:07 |
| quaid | should we drop an email to the in-danger languages? is that easily done? | 09:07 |
| stickster | I don't have membership on the per-lang lists, but I can certainly send an email to f-trans-l with a summary | 09:08 |
| couf | <dreaming>1 e-mailadress to all lang-lists</dreaming> | 09:09 |
| * stickster shakes couf awake | 09:09 | |
| glezos | Here are some key people for languages: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Teams | 09:09 |
| * couf thanks stickster | 09:10 | |
| * glezos will send an email to -trans-de (german) 'cause they seem a bit inactive | 09:12 | |
| stickster | glezos: You may be able to just forward my email -- going to f-trans-l in a minute or two | 09:12 |
| glezos | ok | 09:12 |
| quaid | well ... anything else to do there? | 09:14 |
| quaid | when do we have to drop the package to RelEng | 09:14 |
| stickster | Around the 10th AIUI | 09:15 |
| stickster | I will certainly coordinate with Jesse since I'll see him in DS | 09:15 |
| stickster | *SD | 09:15 |
| quaid | ok | 09:15 |
| stickster | It's possible there could be a day or two of slide time given the Summit | 09:15 |
| glezos | stickster: please remember to remind the (new) deadline for translations in your mail | 09:15 |
| stickster | Yup, doing so -- sent it before, sending it again | 09:16 |
| stickster | OK, off | 09:17 |
| stickster | IG status: doing some heavy refactoring today, hope to have the whole thing ready in ~48 hours | 09:18 |
| -!- aalamS [n=aalam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 09:18 | |
| quaid | quick side question ... | 09:18 |
| quaid | are we Ok with the idea of merging all project tasks into DP/Tasks? | 09:18 |
| quaid | it's "different" from other projects; we adoped the TaskSchedule from e.g. FESCo, and I sort of hate it :) | 09:19 |
| * stickster gives +1, we need to simplify... and I hate it too :-) | 09:19 | |
| quaid | ok | 09:19 |
| * quaid works on that in the background, so he can get a list of "Guides for F7" on Tasks | 09:19 | |
| glezos | +1 here | 09:20 |
| couf | +1 here aswell | 09:21 |
| jmbuser | simplifying is good | 09:22 |
| stickster | BTW, thanks to the folks cleaning up our project page. Much easier to read and navigate now! | 09:23 |
| jmbuser | JonRob deserves a round of applause | 09:23 |
| couf | +1, thanks JonRob | 09:23 |
| JonRob | jmbuser: you'll make me blush | 09:23 |
| JonRob | glad you'll like it tho :D | 09:24 |
| glezos | :) | 09:25 |
| * quaid does a golf clap | 09:25 | |
| quaid | jmbuser: tell us about CompleteReference | 09:25 |
| glezos | this is a great example on how a new member could do something really useful for a project | 09:26 |
| quaid | fresh perspective + enthusiasm == life blood :) | 09:26 |
| JonRob | the DP/Tasks page would be a good addition to the join page | 09:27 |
| JonRob | help other newbies get involved | 09:27 |
| quaid | yes! | 09:27 |
| quaid | that is exacly the reason, to get all the real tasks in one place, organizes by difficulty, etc. | 09:27 |
| JonRob | yeah | 09:28 |
| JonRob | cool :D | 09:28 |
| couf | indeed, keep it simple and people will want to jump in | 09:28 |
| glezos | a list with simple, hands-on tasks each one having a mentor is a great way to encourage new members to get their hands dirty and have fun | 09:29 |
| quaid | right ... instead of jamming all on that page, if a sub-project (e.g. release notes) needs lots of tasks, then we can just reference a sub-page (DP/Tasks/ReleaseNotes) | 09:29 |
| JonRob | quaid: take away from the fear of random wiki edits! | 09:30 |
| JonRob | (probably just me on that one :D) | 09:30 |
| jmbuser | jmbuser: random wiki-editing is fun | 09:31 |
| * jmbuser talks to himself | 09:31 | |
| JonRob | lol | 09:32 |
| couf | jmbuser: you seem to like doing that :-) | 09:32 |
| jmbuser | couf: only lately :-) | 09:32 |
| * quaid wonders what happened to the Wiki patch that kept the table from floating under the darn right nav | 09:32 | |
| couf | well then an FYI: I'm working on to small FDP-howto's (wiki-2-xml and publishing to docs.fp.org) | 09:32 |
| quaid | cool | 09:32 |
| quaid | although on the later ... | 09:33 |
| quaid | latter | 09:33 |
| quaid | that exists, doesn't it? | 09:33 |
| couf | yeah, but more refining it | 09:33 |
| quaid | ok | 09:33 |
| quaid | don't kill yourself on it, since we are sunsetting that method | 09:33 |
| * quaid didn't want to say "killing" | 09:33 | |
| couf | i've got some .conf-file around, making it just copy-paste -> restarting apache | 09:33 |
| couf | quaid: gotcha | 09:34 |
| stickster | couf: There is part of the publishing to docs.fp.org in the /cvs/fedora branch README | 09:34 |
| stickster | couf: You may be able to leapfrog using that | 09:34 |
| couf | stickster: thanks, didn't see that file | 09:34 |
| stickster | under config/HOWTO* | 09:34 |
| couf | well it's just mentioning a sort of differnet approach (alternative method), for people already running a site | 09:36 |
| stickster | couf: cool | 09:36 |
| couf | okay, should we move on? | 09:37 |
| jmbuser | +1 | 09:38 |
| stickster | =1 | 09:38 |
| stickster | +1, sorry | 09:38 |
| couf | we've had the IG, so that makes: admin guide and/or FUG | 09:39 |
| quaid | so for the other guides | 09:39 |
| quaid | I don't see us having them ready w/ translations by F7 | 09:39 |
| quaid | ready, yes; l10n, no | 09:39 |
| quaid | which is not optimal, but its ok | 09:39 |
| jmbuser | quaid: I have to agree with the FUG not being ready for translation | 09:40 |
| quaid | so the list of target guides is: Installation, Administration, (New) Users ... | 09:40 |
| quaid | Yum ... | 09:40 |
| quaid | (Software Management) | 09:40 |
| quaid | anything else? | 09:40 |
| couf | guess not, we shouldn't go too far with this | 09:41 |
| couf | having 4 guides ready will be nice | 09:41 |
| quaid | yes, we can look at producing more between releases | 09:42 |
| quaid | I see two general classes of guides | 09:42 |
| quaid | one is essential to have with a new release | 09:42 |
| quaid | those help you install, use, and administrate the system | 09:42 |
| quaid | the other kind are more bonus, and go into different areas people care about | 09:42 |
| quaid | some of those other kind may end up getting pulled later into e.g. Administrationg guide | 09:42 |
| quaid | those are the "how to run your own repo" and etc. types | 09:43 |
| JonRob | has the docs project ever considered trying to establish a set of less formal guides, to compliment the formal ones? | 09:44 |
| quaid | how do you mean less-formal? | 09:44 |
| quaid | wiki-based or? | 09:45 |
| JonRob | quaid: good question, there's loads of info spread around fedora forums etc that are useful (and that don't have legal/patent issues) | 09:45 |
| JonRob | but they're so scattered | 09:45 |
| quaid | right | 09:45 |
| JonRob | might be nice to have something that makes those easier to find | 09:46 |
| JonRob | not same quality | 09:46 |
| JonRob | but useful none the less | 09:46 |
| quaid | well, all the fedoraunity sites are under the OPL, so that is one souce | 09:46 |
| -!- Netsplit pratchett.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mether, stickster, tsAWAY, vpv, jmbuser, couf | 09:46 | |
| quaid | once we have document publishing out of the Wiki, we can turn the Wiki into 100% community collaborate documentation | 09:46 |
| quaid | whoops | 09:46 |
| quaid | hold on until the net desplits | 09:46 |
| -!- Netsplit over, joins: jmbuser | 09:46 | |
| -!- mether [i=ask@fedora/mether] has joined #fedora-docs | 09:46 | |
| -!- Netsplit over, joins: stickster, couf, vpv, tsAWAY | 09:46 | |
| JonRob | sure | 09:47 |
| JonRob | what was that? | 09:47 |
| jmbuser | stickster: What happened? | 09:47 |
| stickster | wacky | 09:48 |
| quaid | netsplit | 09:48 |
| quaid | we waited for you :) | 09:48 |
| quaid | only thing I said was ... | 09:48 |
| quaid | once we have document publishing out of the Wiki, we can turn the Wiki into 100% community collaborate documentation | 09:48 |
| stickster | roger that | 09:48 |
| quaid | JonRob: netsplit is when the servers we are chatting on drop their connection; we are all connected to a random IRC server that is all part of an IRC network, and sometimes a server splits off, then comes back | 09:49 |
| quaid | (e.g. those guys were all on pratchett.freenode.net) | 09:49 |
| JonRob | quaid: thanks :D | 09:49 |
| glezos | Ideally we'll be able to fix the defragmentation of our docs and get them all in a "bigger picture" thing.. although low-level they will be modular. | 09:49 |
| glezos | with the publication from the wiki we might be able to get this "right". | 09:49 |
| jmbuser | +1 | 09:50 |
| quaid | yep | 09:50 |
| quaid | it's going to be quite a productive summer with the two GSoC projects solving long standing problems :) | 09:50 |
| jmbuser | yes! | 09:51 |
| couf | will be great :) | 09:52 |
| JonRob | is there anywhere with details on these longstanding problems?! | 09:52 |
| stickster | let's hope so! | 09:52 |
| stickster | oops, I meant that as a response to quaid | 09:52 |
| JonRob | lol | 09:52 |
| jmbuser | JonRob: May I humbly recommend http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlowIdeas ? | 09:53 |
| * jmbuser shamelessly plugs his doc | 09:53 | |
| JonRob | jmbuser: thanks | 09:53 |
| quaid | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Plone#head-bd3aef95681e959064f783eba789c6288d8f8b7b | 09:56 |
| quaid | that's a good summary of one of the problems/solutions | 09:56 |
| jmbuser | quaid: agreed | 09:57 |
| JonRob | sounds like it will be useful once plone arrives! | 09:58 |
| * quaid sits down with some breakfast | 10:00 | |
| quaid | one of those days where the effort to make coffee is too much | 10:00 |
| quaid | ok, what else ... | 10:00 |
| * stickster buried in PXE server provisioning | 10:00 | |
| quaid | whee! | 10:01 |
| quaid | so, I'm going to get the Tasks page updated .... | 10:02 |
| quaid | and I'll get the list-o-Guides up there as tasks | 10:02 |
| quaid | anything else of the "other business" sort? | 10:03 |
| couf | don't think so | 10:04 |
| quaid | ok, then ... | 10:04 |
| * quaid does the final thirty second count down | 10:04 | |
| stickster | nope, nada here | 10:04 |
| quaid | thanks for attending all | 10:05 |
| jmbuser | quaid: Thanks | 10:05 |
| JonRob | cheers all | 10:05 |
| quaid | ... and thanks to our families and friends who put up with us giggling at IRC jokes in the middle of a Sunday :) | 10:05 |
| quaid | 5 | 10:05 |
| quaid | 4 | 10:05 |
| quaid | 3 | 10:05 |
| quaid | 2 | 10:05 |
| * quaid looks at stickster for the final joke | 10:05 | |
| quaid | 1 | 10:05 |
| quaid | </meeting> | 10:05 |
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