12:13 < quaid> ok 12:13 * stickster just updated page with his item 12:13 < stickster> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings?action=edit&editor=text 12:13 < stickster> crud, sorry 12:13 < quaid> the first is easy 12:13 < stickster> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings 12:13 < quaid> there isn't a GSoC update; aiui the deadline for entries was extended to tomorrow 12:13 < stickster> Ah OK 12:13 < quaid> and I don't have a view yet into what has been proposed 12:14 < glezos> and I don't have a decision yet whether i'll participate as a student. 12:14 < quaid> but it does look like, except for FDP, Fedora didn't get as many ideas up on pages for people to propose against 12:14 < quaid> kind of our usual, "How about you dream up something you'd like to do?" 12:14 < stickster> *sigh 12:15 < stickster> I think the Board will need to start proactively dealing with this better in 2008 12:15 < quaid> hey, you know, if all we had to do was put out GNOME or something, then maybe we'd have time for niceties :) 12:15 < stickster> And to do that, we need a better planning system. I think there was an unfortunately short thread on a better project-wide calendaring system in one of the lists 12:15 < glezos> stickster, right 12:16 < quaid> ok, we can move on 12:16 < stickster> All right, my item next, yes? 12:16 < stickster> So, obviously if you look at f-docs-commits you'll see I've spent a bunch of time in Makefile.common recently 12:17 < stickster> We are now set up so people can check out single documents as a module, and automatically get docs-common included. 12:17 < quaid> but this is docs-common at ,/ v. ../? 12:17 < stickster> Things should Just Work(TM) regardless of whether you do that, or mirror the whole repository down 12:17 < stickster> gotcha! 12:17 < quaid> :) 12:18 < quaid> ok, so you dealt with the concern about multiple docs-common copies/ 12:18 < stickster> You'll see the "find-common-dir" near the top (or some name like that, can't recall off the top of my head) 12:18 < stickster> It looks in current dir first, then parents up, then looks for a system dir in case we ever get around to packaging it 12:18 < quaid> ok 12:18 * quaid kicks CVS for not supporting symlinks 12:18 < stickster> Boo-ya! 12:18 < stickster> Nah, symlinks bad for people using Windowsw 12:18 < stickster> s/sw$/s/ 12:19 < quaid> ? 12:19 < quaid> and the rest of it works on Windows? 12:19 < glezos> stickster, :) 12:19 < stickster> Well, cygwin 12:19 < quaid> well, as long as you got it to work 12:19 < stickster> OK, and... 12:20 < quaid> If it had to be a choice, cygwin would lose out 12:20 < stickster> sure 12:20 < stickster> But I think symlinks are generally a bad way of doing things anyway 12:20 < stickster> fragile 12:20 < stickster> So... 12:20 < stickster> 2. entities 12:20 < stickster> The entities files originally in docs-common/common/ are now gone (fdp-entities-<LANG>.ent) 12:21 < stickster> They were useless anyway, a pain for translators, and mostly stale 12:21 < stickster> All system wide entities have migrated to docs-common/common/entities/ using PO, the way that God intended 12:21 < stickster> Next up, I'm going to do the same for docs-common/common/ snippets like bugreporting, legalnotice, etc. 12:21 < quaid> ah, good, ok 12:22 < stickster> hang on , brb 12:22 * quaid saw cruft and didn't know which was cruft and which was gold 12:29 * quaid gets distracted in EPEL SIG meeting 12:29 < quaid> I got the new CVS bits and didn't have any questions so far 12:29 < quaid> but this is good because it simplifies the l10n process 12:30 < quaid> should we have the QSTG updated? 12:31 < quaid> or maybe wait until things settle down some more? 12:32 < glezos> dunno 12:33 < stickster> back 12:33 < glezos> quaid, I'd say that we could wait to get it done right 12:33 < glezos> It's 2 months more 12:34 < stickster> It won't be nearly that long before I have everything done 12:34 < stickster> In the next few days, after I'm done, I'll update it 12:34 < stickster> *: I also want to bring up the whole "xml2po -e" vs. "xml2po -k" thing 12:34 < stickster> I think we're better off with the latter. 12:35 < stickster> We tried it before but it didn't work because of the stupid stuff in docs-common/common/ (i.e. snippet inclusion without XInclude) 12:35 < stickster> I think we can safely go back to keeping entities in the POT/PO files now 12:35 < stickster> That means that translators will simply translate, e.g. &DISTRO; as &DISTRO; 12:36 < stickster> If we update one of them, like the Fedora release number, the translation doesn't immediately catch "the fuzzies" 12:36 < glezos> stickster, whatever you believe it's better 12:36 < stickster> Yeah, we tried to do it this way before, and fell back because we couldn't make it work 12:37 < stickster> Now we have more XML savvy and fewer crazy things we're trying to do, so things like that should now be possible again 12:38 < quaid> ok, cool 12:38 < quaid> stickster: good work, padewan 12:38 < stickster> Oh, one more thing 12:39 < stickster> I'm putting per-branch aliases in CVSROOT/modules, so you can now check out, e.g. "install-guide-devel" to get just the devel branch. It cuts down on bandwidth as well 12:39 < stickster> So, next up: 12:39 < stickster> 1. fixing snippets => XML+PO 12:39 < stickster> 2. fixing graphics => SVG+[tools] 12:40 < quaid> GuGu: we're meeting here for the next 20 minutes (or so); do you want to save your question(s) until then, then we can talk here? 12:40 < quaid> stickster: sorry, what are snippets? 12:41 < stickster> quaid: bugreporting-*.xml, legalnotice-*.xml, etc. 12:42 < stickster> all found in docs-common/common/ right now 12:42 < quaid> ah, right, those 12:42 * quaid forgot the special term 'snippet' 12:42 < quaid> ;-D 12:43 < stickster> OK, I'm done too 12:43 < stickster> couf_away is still away, so we can safely skip his item 12:44 < glezos> I have a suggestion 12:45 < glezos> that might urge translators get more Docs translated for F7 12:45 < glezos> if we had on the web some l10n statistics for cvs.fp.org, that might urge them to push their translation too 12:46 < quaid> hmm 12:46 < quaid> can we do that semi-manually? 12:46 < stickster> boo, hiss 12:46 < quaid> that is, write some Perl that dumps stats to SVG? 12:46 < stickster> heh 12:46 < quaid> err 12:46 < glezos> Sonar_Gal, would it be a good idea to ask FIP for a place to run the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Translation#statistics 12:46 < quaid> Python I meant 12:46 < stickster> Poor Sonar_Gal 12:47 < quaid> her fault, if she chose Sonar_Gyrl, then Sonar_Guy would get all the "So[tab]" 12:47 < glezos> quaid, we could do a cron job to run this script and publish the results.. they are not pretty, but they are usable... Especially if you run them through a search-n-replace script that transforms them into an HTML table... 12:47 < quaid> +1 12:47 < quaid> at least that 12:48 < quaid> maybe an update hourly (or at :20 or something) 12:48 < glezos> quaid, should we ask FIP for l10n.fedoraproject.org? 12:48 < stickster> And translation.fp.o 12:48 < quaid> as a CNAME? 12:48 < stickster> whatever 12:49 * stickster doesn't trust people to guess "l10n" 12:49 < quaid> ok, whatever, I mena, as a pointer v. stand alone host 12:49 < stickster> Oh yeah 12:49 < quaid> then I want documentation.fp.o ! 12:49 < quaid> :D 12:49 < glezos> ok.. we could standarize on translations.fedoraproject.org and take it from there.. I guess this is something -trans-list should decide 12:49 < stickster> +1! 12:49 * quaid is all about the "docs is unprofesional, spell it out" :) 12:50 < quaid> glezos: yes, propose and see what they prefer, just as we did for docs.fp.o and then we'll put up what we have as we hae it 12:52 < glezos> k. then I'll just send an email to FIP 12:53 < quaid> cool, or file a ticket 12:53 < quaid> if there is nothing to discuss, just request 12:54 < quaid> (http://admin.fedoraproject.org/tickets) 12:54 < quaid> and there we go 12:54 < quaid> anything more here? 12:55 < glezos> nah 12:55 < stickster> nope 12:55 < quaid> heh, no quorum even 12:55 < quaid> rockin', thx getns 12:55 < quaid> gents even 12:55 < quaid> </meeting> -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug
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