On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 14:52 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > On Tue, 3 Oct 2006, Sam Folk-Williams wrote: > > > I guess my question is, how could this have happened? How could nothing > > have been gathered in all this time? Also, why did this just now become > > an urgent thing? > > Just because it's a new problem to you doesn't mean that it's a new > problem. It just means that it's a new problem to you. > Point taken. The reason for my question is that it came to the list as a last minute thing. > > It's worth pointing out at this point that we also had a great idea for > FC4 *and* FC5 -- redirecting yum requests through bouncer and collecting > stats that way. But we didn't execute. Why? Because it wasn't judged to > be important enough to expend resources to *make* it happen. > This is definitely worth pointing out... > It's all about execution. We do what we have with what we've got. Ideas > and promises are great, but they don't feed the bulldog. And when we ask > for MORE FUNDING TO MAKE FEDORA BETTER, and the Powers That Be ask, "well, > how many Fedora users do you have?" and we have NO ANSWER, that is BAD FOR > FEDORA. BAAAAAAAD. > Understood. > > It's certainly much better than what we have right now, which is > *literally nothing at all*. How many times do we have to reiterate this > point? > I get it. I think there's value to looking at things like traffic to fp.o, registered users on fedoraforums, etc. But I should have taken into account that you have already looked into all that. > > Why don't we start to prepare some kind of survey of people who are > > registered at various fedora-related sites now? I don't know that it has > > to correspond with a release. > > I guess I don't understand what makes you think that survey data will be > anywhere near as accurate. > I think it's generally accepted that surveys are a good and useful tool. > I mean, here's some simple back-of-the-envelope calculations: > > How many people who install Fedora actually join a Fedora mailing list, or > go to a Fedora website? 20 percent? 5 percent? On the other hand: how > many Fedora Desktop users open a browser? 75 percent? 90 percent? > > > On the other hand, if you really think this idea will give you data you > > can trust and urgently need, it might well be worth it to go ahead. I > > just personally think this feels a bit cobbled together. > > We had great, large plans, as early as FC4. Grand plans. Beautiful > plans. What happened? We did not execute. > Ok, with that in mind... > Therefore, we dropped back to the *simplest possible plan* that would give > us *any data at all*. > I'd say go for it. You have definitely showed me that this was not a last minute thing, which is the impression that I had. Given everything that has happened it sounds to me like if you don't do this nothing will ever happen. Which means, DO IT! Thanks for elaborating. Sam > --g > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org > Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- Sam Folk-Williams, RHCE Global Support Services -- fedora-docs-list mailing list fedora-docs-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list
