On Tue, 2006-01-03 at 19:44 -0500, David-Paul Niner wrote: > I realize I'm an outsider here, so I'll keep my response short. > > I volunteered a number of weeks back to work on some documentation (The > RPM manual, IIRC), and was told that someone would be divvying up the > sections and getting in touch with me soon. > > So I waited. Not being incredibly familiar with those involved with > the docs projects I didn't feel comfortable just barging in and taking > over editing responsibilities. > > No one got in touch. I looked back through my Gmail archives (thank you, Google!) and see that Paul Nasrat was the person who had communicated with you. I am CC'ing him on this email so he can get back into the loop for the RPM Guide massage with which you kindly offered help. I also see that Karsten was helping you with some problems you experienced getting your official Fedora account working. Sorry you were having problems; normally the process seems to work fine, but every once in a while a contributor's specific configuration, or an ambiguity in the procedure, makes it more difficult than it needs to be. What's your status with regard to that account at this point? > I suppose one could fault me for not being more assertive, but with a > project of this size it's difficult to know precisely where "the new > guy" should position him- or herself. As a volunteer project, we do have to depend on new folks to sort of jump in with both feet... but it can be a daunting prospect! It wasn't very long ago that I was in the exact same position as you. Some of the older hands helped me out when I had questions about Emacs, DocBook XML, and so forth, and it wasn't long before I was very comfortable with the tools. As for positioning? Well, it's mostly up to you! I can think of several areas that need attention right now -- several of the drafts at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts in fact! People are drafting on the wiki so that you don't have to learn all the cool tools we used just to get started. Eventually you will probably want to learn them, because, well dang, they're cool, after all! And they make it easier for you to get MORE RESULTS out of LESS WORK. And on a volunteer project, that's a win-win. But for now, just pitching in anywhere is a big help. I am currently starting work on a brand new Documentation Guide that will build on, but mostly supplant, the existing one. A good DocGuide will make it easier for new people to start, since it will lay out in plain English everything you need to know to get involved. > I'm just wondering if there is anyone else out there on the fringes > offering to help but just doesn't know where to start. > > The marketing idea is keen, and could produce returns, but once you get > the fish on the hook how, precisely, do you reel him to shore? You've done the right thing by posting this response. Feel free to pester! To jostle! To annoy! Keep in mind that, just like you, most of the folks around here are generously giving of their free time, and it's sometimes hard to squeeze in extra tasks when it's not putting bread on the table. Don't be afraid to "tickle" someone nicely, especially when they've promised you some bit of work. It's a sign from you that you are motivated, energetic, and eager to help out -- all of which are necessities for a thriving volunteer community. To you, David-Paul, and especially to all "lurkers" out there who are worried how to get involved, or whether they might make a misstep: FEAR NOT! This is not a tight-knit "old-boy" community of stone-cold experts ready to snap off your head if you don't know what you're doing. We try to be the kinder, gentler subproject, and people here are very friendly. We know that this is a part of Fedora that people might want to get involved in because it seems, well, less like a minefield of technical pitfalls than some other subprojects. There's an old adage with which I have a love/hate relationship, because people misuse it so much -- "Better to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt." That's NOT what we're all about at the FDP. That old saw is about offering opinions when you're uninformed -- it's NOT about asking for help when you're looking for a clue. I can guarantee that people here want to give out clues and don't hold anything against folks who ask for them. (FWIW, I'm living proof, since I learned everything I know about docs, which admittedly is not much compared to a lot of people, from other FDP'ers.) So basically, any and all input is appreciated and all offers of help warmly accepted. If you ever think we've ignored you, say so! I promise it's a simple case of oversight and not a snub. OK, can you feel the love? I can, oh yeah baby! (Awright, turn off that Barry White, that's just icky.) *needle scratch* -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/
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