Ralf Corsepius <rc040203@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 12:51 -0600, Rex Dieter wrote: > > Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 12:34 -0600, Rex Dieter wrote: > > >> Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > > > >> <sarcasm> > > >> Who really needs all that fedora infrastructure, peer/package review, > > >> qa/testing, anyway. Much easier to skip all that. > > >> </sarcasm> > > > > > Well, ... if the fedora infrastructure was really serving contributors, > > > if peer/package reviews were functional, if testing was functional, then > > > this all would not be an issue. > > > > > The unpleasant truth is: It isn't. > > > > Standard response: how exactly isn't it? > > Let me pick just 2 examples: > * infrastructure: Fedora's infrastructure in first place mean struggling > with a zoo of more or less arguable processes/work-flows (freezes, FTBP, > wikis ...), a zoo of more or less functional tools (bugzilla, FAS, > packagedb, koji, bodhi, ...) and a zoo of bureaucracy they are > implementing. How exactly do you propose getting rid of that and _get the work done_? Complex work requires coordination. Get over it. > * testing: The parties testing a contributed package in first place is > the package's upstream, the packager and this package's end-users. > Fedora only contributes to testing a package insofar, as having a > package in Fedora widens the "potential user-base" of a package. Dead wrong. Upstream can only test i /their/ environment, not as part of Fedora. > > How exactly do you propose to make it better? > I guess you should know my answers :-) Humor us. > Points to getting started with would be > * "getting rid of the freezes" Impossible. If you want to ship something halfway tested, you need to stop the firehose of updates and concentrate on fixing. > * "getting rid of the update delays" What do you mean? > * improve the tools contributors are forced to use. Help out it that then. -- Dr. Horst H. von Brand User #22616 counter.li.org Departamento de Informatica Fono: +56 32 2654431 Universidad Tecnica Federico Santa Maria +56 32 2654239 Casilla 110-V, Valparaiso, Chile 2340000 Fax: +56 32 2797513 -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
