Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: > On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 17:23 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >> Well, the world sometimes is not as good as we would like it >> to be; we can try our best to fix it, but the task is really really >> big; >> if you nevertheless try to do it you might forget the real goal you >> aimed for in the beginning -- if you are not careful you might get >> obsoleted and irrelevant on the way. > > I wonder if a fraction of the effort put into building up a parallel > python branch was put into fixing Zope to work with modern python... > would we still be worried about compat-python? > As long as we're speculating without knowledge, I'd say that more effort would have to be spent on porting Zope and gettign the patches integrated upstream than packaging compat-python. Maintaining is another story, though :-). So, although I'm very glad that rpmfusion has compat-python packages, I think it is reasonable to decide not to have it in Fedora. Note that Zope3 developers tell me that they're making Zope more modular (on the order of 100+ packages) which means that getting started on working on Zope3's code (and porting it to new python versions) will get easier but packaging it will get harder. > There is a good chance that we'll be looking at Python 3 in a coming > Fedora release, so Zope will be two major python releases backwards, now > seems like a great time for interested parties to work towards getting > Zope working with Python 2.6 (at least). > I've been looking more closely at Python 3 lately for unicode problems we're going to trip over. Python-3.0rc1, at least, would cause *huge* problems in all sorts of random places within our codebase. Hopefully things will be better by python-3.1 but a lot of the issues need to be pushed from other people with a Unix/Linux or distro-centric viewpoint. A few voices in the wilderness are not enough. It would be great if we had more upstream presence in all aspects of python. Python-2.6, as a transition between 2.x and 3.x will be easier for us to port to but that does mean that we'll have more porting work to do for the python-3.x move. -Toshio
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