On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 16:53 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Ralf Corsepius <rc040203@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 12:38 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > >> Dmitry Butskoy wrote: > >> > Itamar - IspBrasil wrote: > [snip] > >> The fact that they switched to CentOS is *good* for Fedora. > > I can not disagree more - To me, it's yet another evidence of Fedora > > being on the loose. > > You're going to have to expound on that. I do not see Centos in any > way as in competition with Fedora. EPEL drains away resources from Fedora. If people were investing the time they (as I feel waste) on supporting EPEL into Fedora, Fedora would be better. > Centos is something everyone should > be proud of. Well, to me CentOS is as important as any other arbitrary Linux distro. I am glad they are around, but not more and not less. > >> CentOS's > >> goals are better oriented to the needs of someone that wants to deploy a > >> system and run it for years. Fedora is good for people who want to get > >> the latest technologies from upstream as soon as they're stable enough > >> to integrate into a running system. > > Right. But why can't Fedora do better? I feel Fedora could do better. > > Sure. With more devs, servers, time, etc. ... less bureaucracy, less committees/less chiefs/more Indians, different people, different strategies. > But baring a sudden increase > in those, I would much prefer to see Fedora focus on dev and testing, > let other distros pretty things up. ACK. Unfortunately, Fedora is drifting away from this group towards single-user desktops (e.g. OLPC). > >> > This situation seems to be reflected in the Fedora project itself. > >> > Guess, how many Fedora infrastructure servers are run under the latest > >> > "stable" Fedora release? > >> > >> As few as possible. > > IMO, a fundamental management/infrastructure mistake - If these people > > were using Fedora, they would be facing the issues Fedora users are > > facing everyday and likely would being to understand why people complain > > about Fedora. > > Why would they, after often suggesting that Fedora _not_ be used on > production servers, use Fedora on their production servers? Depends on how they mean it: - if they are referring to "long term maintained/everlasting support" servers, they are right. - if they mean it as "Fedora is technically too unstable", then this people should start working on improving the situation or (better) quit Fedora. > >> The reason is not about stability. It is about > >> updates. Once Fedora stops getting updates we'd have to upgrade to the > >> next Fedora release with all of the churn that causes for vastly > >> unrelated pieces of the OS. > > Gotcha! If not even the Fedora project can handle the issues, why do you > > expect users to be able to solve them? I think technically the issues > > can be overcome. It's a matter of will. > > Well, it's not really an issue. It's only an issue if you run Fedora > on your production servers. They would be less issues, if Fedora was using Fedora for its servers. More bluntly: The fact Fedora is not using Fedora for its servers is a shame for Fedora. Ralf -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
