Re: Xorg 1.5 missed the train?

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Nicolas Mailhot wrote:

All I expect is a reasonable chance for others to coordinate.  This is
like shipping a power cord with a new plug style before announcing the
matching standard for the socket where you are supposed to plug it in.

No new plug standard is ever finalized before a few companies try to
manufacture it. Manufacturers are not stupid. They do exactly the same
as xorg: a new design is prepared in common by interested parties,
they agree among themselves it's almost cooked, some or all of them
try to create products with it, the feedback from those first runs is
used to correct problems on the design, and then the final "standard"
and shipping products are announced at about the same time. And then
sometimes market pressure means some of the first series are shipped
before the standard is 100% finalized (that's for real hardware
products, with real material distribution logistics problems, not
something you can slap on a web site in 30s).

Only very stupid engineers commit to a standard before any line of
code or any product series was started. You're blinding yourself. Xorg
did nothing wrong.

I don't have a problem with Xorg taking any amount of time they want. The problem is in fedora shipping a pre-release - or perhaps even more so in their claim of knowing that the ABI is finalized before it is in fact published as a standard.

Nvidia is late to the party (as usual) and you're
gullible enough to believe its cartoon-level excuses.

I believe in release numbers. If it is really ready, make it official. If not, don't ship it.

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