2008/5/12 Adam Jackson <ajax@xxxxxxxxxx>: > > It's the least buggy X server branch with the features we want. > > I admit, it's not a release, and that's entirely process failure on my > part. Having lots of masters to obey is not easy, and in this case my > time got chewed up by other business obligations. Thanks RHEL, you're > awesome. So the thing I chose to sacrifice was the (actually fairly > labor-intensive) process of badging the tarball as a release. It still > got bug fixes. It's ABI-stable. Leaving it in was way less disruptive > than reverting back to 1.3 would have been. It just isn't 1.5.0. > > I actually went on a long rant about this at xdevconf: > > http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/Events/XDC2008/Notes > > The essential problem is that we're a victim of our own success. > There's lots of great stuff happening in X and unfortunately the thing > to suffer there is the stabilisation effort. I do the best I can but > I'm not a superhero. Nor, really, should I have to be. And come to > that, I'm actually quite bad at the release management job. I don't > communicate effectively, I don't delegate enough, and I don't deliver on > the schedules I promise. Mea maxima freakin' culpa. > > If someone else steps up to the job, huzzah. Until then we're sort of > stuck. > > My question to the gallery is how do I fix this? How do _we_ fix this? > X needs more people. It's way less scary than you've been led to > believe. How do we get more people involved? How do we step up the > testing effort? How do we get to a culture of frequent releases and > incremental improvement? Without these things, release management is > going to continue to be bursts of heroic effort that almost certainly > misses deadlines, as it has been ever since Xorg 6.7. > > I mean, in some sense, it's fine. It's software just like any other, > the number on the side of the box is merely a talisman, a dusting of > holy penguin pee. But the release is also the primary artifact of the > development process. Skipping that obligation is a disservice both to > ourselves and our consumers. > > I hope we find an answer, but I just don't have one right now. > > - ajax > I for one think your doing a great job and will happily wait till your ready with 1.5! Thanks for all your hard work. Andy -- projecthuh.com All of my bits are free, are yours? Fedoraproject.org -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list