On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 04:18 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > Pavel Shevchuk wrote: > > You chose Australia on timezone selection screen. > > > > Anaconda can't handle such specific needs without making GUI > > obfuscated, and it works OK for most users already. > > Oh great. X seems to work for most people, so let's just leave it at that. It will make Ajax's work a lot easier. For that matter, the kernel seems to work for most people so let's just leave it at that. etc. > True, anaconda may not be able to handle it without obfuscating the GUI, > and I don't think it's something that needs to be done during the > installation or even during firstboot. Actually, while there needs to be tools to adjust it afterwards, this is most definitely something anaconda should be getting right. You're average (non-advanced) users they are highly unlikely to know that this can be managed some other way and will most likely just curse and groan their way through each change they have to make at the applications level to get it right. As an example, I have to change the paper settings in a number of places in cups so that it knows I use A4 paper. Add to this that evince doesn't honor this, so I have to tell it that I'm printing A4 otherwise every thing is scaled down just a little. OOo also needs to be told about my A4 habit because it doesn't seem to honor cup's settings either. And that's just a start. Temperatures set to Fahrenheit. Measurements in inches, feet and yards. Getting this right at the install reaches deeply into the entire user experience, and should be done right at the install. After all, once I customize all these settings, a change to system-config-locale is unlikely to see these settings changing accordingly. > > Advanced users can customize locale manually. Casual users want less > > buttons and get work done faster. I vote for leaving it as is. I don't know what to say about this argument. You seem to be arguing that it's okay that we get this wrong, because advanced users can work around it. Besides, while I'm not sure I'm an advanced user, I also don't want to either have to redo this every six months (with each release of fedora) or ignore something that's broken just because it can fix it easily and ignore how much it might inconvenience other less advanced users. I say it should be fixed. R. -- "It's a fine line between denial and faith. It's much better on my side" -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
