Andrew Farris wrote:
Thats because Apple has chosen not to make it default behavior, not
because it is not included.
And that's because Apple makes some effort to give people a better
experience.
No. Apple has offered options, one of which maintains the prior
behavior of Apple OS 6.x to 9 (spatial browsing) while also offering
other options such as the multi-pane view.
But I'm only concerned about the defaults.
I'll control that myself, thank you.
Ok, good deal. I'll let the computer help me.
I don't consider putting things where I don't want them to be 'help'.
I suggest you go have a look through gnome development mailing lists
for discussion on spatial browsing if you really are interested
(especially if you want to argue it should not be the default for
upstream). You might also find this [1] interesting (see point 6).
If I understand point 6 to mean that spatial browsing relates more
closely to physical objects, that makes sense and is why I don't like
it. If I wanted things to be as inconvenient as physical objects I
wouldn't be sitting at a desk using a computer. I want the objects to
come to me, not to be frozen in some inconvenient distant space. And
I want them to clean up after themselves better than things in the
physical world.
Uh huh, so you think that a tree browsing view is somehow much closer to
'not physical' than spatial browsing?
It's closer to putting something where I want it. Spatial browsing is
more like having to find it where it was left last time.
You feel that a hierarchy of
deeply enclosed directories is easier to access when you're still going
one level at a time into the tree than using the spatial browsing mode?
Tree views, and opening inside the same window all the time is modeled
directly from File Folders within Filing Cabinets.
The navigation is the same either way, but the spatial mode is like
rooms with 2 doors and one light switch. As you open the door you turn
the light on and it remains on when you exit the other door. Then later
you have to backtrack and clean up. I want the light to go off as I
exit the other door.
Both are fundamentally flawed ways that we access and organize our files
in a computer. They are both inadequate, and will need to change in the
future. The longer we take to realize this it will postpone real
progress in human computer interaction while everyone keeps demanding
that things work the way they used to.
I agree here - give me a folder navigation method that doesn't involve
intermediate windows or having to type names and I could live with the
position/attributes of the destination windows being attached to the
destination and not my view. But I still want an explicit 'open new
window here' command.
You can argue that holding down shift, or using middle-doubleclick is
inconvenient if you like (I believe it works just fine). My windows
clean up after themselves beautifully.
So why not make the default a normal double-click with a preference
setting for people who prefer something oddball?
Point 6 was not saying spatial browsing is a holy grail for the future,
its saying that human beings are spatially oriented and naturally think
in terms much more akin to spatial browsing. Memory of where a window,
or the file within the window, is supposed to be is very natural for us
to remember as we 'browse' through files. Those files are supposed to
be where they last were, hence why having a window show up where you had
it last time makes sense.
It is contrary to the way many people have learned to find their files,
and if they don't like it thats understandable; they don't like change.
They don't have to embrace change. But if they are going to claim the
change is going backwards I'd like to see more than personal preference
in the rhetoric.
The point of a computer is not to emulate the real world, it is so you
can do this better and easier. And no one in the real world nests
folders 10 deep anyway.
No argument there, but again, I want the objects/options to come to
me, not to be hiding in locations distant from my mouse pointer,
especially as screens get bigger.
You're free not to use your body's motor memory to your advantage if you
want.
What you prefer is fine for you; I will take offense to you calling
spatial browsing wrong however... it is what I and many other people
prefer.
I don't have any problem with preference settings to enable it. There
are just too many things that are inconvenient about it to have it as a
default - and in any case there should be an option to flip the
mouse/keboard commands for the choice of whether the window stays open
or not.
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