There is a serious lack of understanding where Linux is, and where most want it to be in this thread. A presumptive reboot does not actually provide any benefit whatsoever, and in fact often exacerbates situations. I work in situations where downtime is measured in the millions of dollars per minute category, and we have never been able to accept such requirements as provided by certain vendors such as HP which mandated monthly downtime to install patches. I started out with the presumptive reboot issue. It was hard enough to get customers to agree to any modicum of a regular patch cycle. By the way, all processes and modifications to systems in the field I work, are heavily documented. The first time I saw a 3B2-80, I thought to myself what in the hell was that!, but using known procedures, I was able to recover what needed to be recovered. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list