On Jan 25, 2008 9:28 AM, Patrice Dumas <pertusus@xxxxxxx> wrote: > Ok, I am very sorry for the noise, I didn't understood that. It > satisfies me completely... I personnally don't need this so I won't lead > it, but I could help and I would take care of my packages in that setting. Okay I'm going to be very very frank for a second. It frustrates the absolute crap out of me to see aggressively vocal proponents of an idea, falling back into the background after going through 3 or 4 rounds of painful discourse instead of stepping up and attempting to lead. I don't care if i personally agree with the ideas or not, but if I'm going to slug it out with someone in an effort to reach a forward looking compromise that stakeholders can live with, then I pretty much expect that person to continue to be a partner in driving things forward. It more than frustrates me, it hurts...deeply... because this kills forward momentum. I'm much more inclined to bend over backwards to grease the wheels, with my own blood even, for someone who is committed to making the effort to lead an idea, than I am to even hold a door open for someone who just wants to talk about it. This project has an infinite things that it 'could' do. But we absolute need people who will lead those efforts. People passionate about that area, who can build up communities of volunteers to keep the work moving. Please, I'm begging you, direct your passion on an area you can lead and if you do that I'll do what I can to help you recruit users and contributors to increase the impact of your efforts. -jef -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list