On Jan 20, 2008 10:36 PM, Ralf Corsepius <rc040203@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > A reporter should never be supposed to talk upstream, because he is > reporting an issue a problem with the product (your package) you are > supposed to be responsible for, not against the product an upstream > ships to you (the source tarball). I think you are wrong. Dead wrong. it does absolutely no good for me to attempt to act as a proxy for hardware breakage that I can't re-confirm with my own hardware. At some point the person experiencing the hardware problem has to be able to talk directly with a developer who is in a position to confirm and fix. Whether that means driving upstream developers to the fedora bugreport or driving users to upstream developers.... it doesn't matter. I refuse..REFUSE... to stop asking users with hardware specific breakage to be proactive and tap into the upstream resource when I can't confirm the problem. If there is a feature request that needs discussion, then why exactly should I as a maintainer be the one to champion it? If it's something i've no personal interest in it, nor have a personal need for it, then I'm certainly not in a position to argue for it. The stake holders for those sort of discussions are in the upstream development communication channels... that's where feature roadmapping happens...and that's where features have to be discussed and integrated. I'm not going to stand in proxy for someone else's ideas that do not resonate with me. Nor am I going to drop a request on the floor at the fedora package level, because I personally unmoved by a particular feature request. I'm not such an egotistical bastard that I'm going to assume that just because I'm not interested in the feature as the Fedora package maintainer that the upstream developers aren't. > What prevents you from simply telling the truth? I do tell the truth...sometimes upstream communication is a useful thing...and continuing to rely on me as the Fedora package maintainer to do all of it, is in fact a sub-optimal way of making sure things get done. I suck and I'll proudly and forthrightly tell people that. -jef -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
