On Jan 17, 2008 5:13 AM, Valent Turkovic <valent.turkovic@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Again I'm not talking about general fedora distro, only Desktop spin. I garuantee you that people understand the argument you are making. And I'm pretty sure that you haven't actually come up with a new line of reasoning that hasn't already been considered previously. It comes down to this. You either value the selinux technology for a specific usage case, or your don't. If you value it, then you must support Fedora having it enabled by default because Fedora so that we can continue to refine it through more feedback. If you don't value it as a technology for the usage case you are interested in then you aren't ever going to really be comfortable with it being included at all. So clearly you don't value it. And clearly I do. Continuing to run in circles about this for another 300 posts isn't going to go anywhere because at a pretty fundamental level our assumptions about what is important are vastly different. But you know what, my opinion and your opinion are really not that important. What I care about in terms of project direction is what the security experts and the expert interface designers think. We must find a way to continue to incrementally make dealing with selinux easier. I'd rather get the right people in a room somewhere to sit down and discuss selinux desktop integration away from the noise and pitchforks in a mailinglist, and then move forward from there. You and I are not the right people. -jef -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list