On Dec 21, 2007 11:32 AM, Casey Dahlin <cjdahlin@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > Does this all mean we aren't going to attempt to find and fix these > problems? Hardware issues are HARD, primarily because we have to look closely for reproducibly situations. I used the live cd on at least 3 different hardware configurations, two desktops and a laptop... workedforme. My effort to 'find' a livecd install problem failed to produce a problem. should I now right a review and say that based on my experience the livecd installer process is bulletproof? I mean I'm pretty much just as justified to do that. But it would be just as misleading. Hardware bugs are HARD and we need people reporting reproducible hardware failures so the right developers who do not have access to that hardware can start a dialog with the people who do. it doesn't get better people just stand on their soapbox and beat their chests in their little corner of the internet. The bug trackers are were dialog happens. The reviewers as a breed know this, and they avoid doing it deliberately. if a reviewer isn't at a minimum references an bug ticker for each crasher or hardware problem they have expressed, they simply do not care about open development. If I thought a boycott against such reviewers would actually be effective id call for one. But the reality is, their target readership are the people who do not actually understand what open development is actual about. So a boycott of the open-savvy readership won't do anything. What we can do however is start filling up all the talkbacks and comments sections we can find..demanding they start referencing bug ticket numbers for ALL openly developed software which they review. This isn't a Fedora specific thing. This is an open development thing. Everytime a reviewer fails to reference a bug ticket for a critical problem, we've miss an opportunity to show a user that open source development is responsive in a way that closed development can never be. -jef -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
