On Dec 21, 2007 10:25 AM, Arthur Pemberton <pemboa@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Well from memory of the reviewers statements he tried combinations of > the following options: > > * native/VM > * customized/customized > * target drive partitioned / unpartitioned > * different physical machines Does ANY of this translate to filed bugs from other people experiencing the same issues? Do we have any additional reports. I'll let you in on a little secret. The number one thing I absolutely LOATH with regard to linux operating system reviewers is the absolutely lack of any effort for them to drive their problems into the bug reporting systems so they can get a reasonable look and then fixed. The next rant is aimed at every single reviewer on in the laypress and not to these people specifically. What I write below is my personal reaction to what I see as a generally negative influence on linux distributions in general by laypress reviewers in general. SHAME ON ALL OF THEM for sensationalizing the problems while standing in their self righous pulpit on top of thier little ant hill, instead of participating in a transparent open process that can be used to start driving fixes for things. It helps noone to sit on this problems, without filing them. Every single reviewer who does this sort of crap, and doesn't reference a live bug ticket associated with each an every hardware problem is a drag on the system for EVERY openly developed distribution out there, not just Fedora. They represent a culture where the user is a consumer and not a culture where the user is a collaborator. Fedora isn't a product that we are selling, its a process by which developers and users come together to get shit done. Its a fact, we're gonna see hardware problems interspersed in the wild. We will never be 100% free of hardware bugs...ever. And I want reviewers to be honest about the problems. If they have problems I want them to write about them, because its a reality check. But reviewers need to cooperate with us as part of the open process and actually reference bug tickets corresponding each and every serious problem in their reviews, readers/viewers/listeners know exactly where to go to look for solutions to these problems as they are developed. If reviewers actually cared about open development in any significant way (without introducing bias into their evaluations of any particular distribution), they will all start to reference bug report tickets for every hardware problem or crasher problem when they talk about them in their reviews. We can all agree that hardware problems or crasher problems are worth filing. UI issues are tougher to get consensous on. I hereby make this a personal challenge to every single laypress reviewer out there. Stop sensationalizing problems, and start helping your readers appreciate the value of participating in open development by being role models on how to interact with developers to file issues. You can't participate like this for other software, stop squandering the opportunity to help users to see the opportunity to have an impact on the software they are using. -jef -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
