On 17/12/2007, Hans de Goede <j.w.r.degoede@xxxxxx> wrote: > Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora <at> nicubunu.ro> writes: > >> There is one thing I personally would like to see about games and menu > >> (and I expect it is not specs compliant): all unplayable the games > >> because of no data available (needing the autodownloader to be run) in a > >> separate menu, so I could ignore them easily in the Games Spin. > >> Yeah, they cold move from that menu in the proper location once the data > >> is available, but this is really a "pie in the sky" scenario. > > > > IMHO the right solution for this problem would be to ban autodownloader and > > everything using it (or worse, requiring original proprietary and charged-for > > game CDs) from the distribution. I see that tool as both an ugly kludge and a > > way to circumvent Fedora's licensing requirements. It also sends the entirely > > wrong message to upstream projects: before, it was "If you want to have your > > game in Fedora, you have to fix your licensing.", now it's "We'll just hack > > around it with autodownloader and ignore our Fedora Objectives entirely.". :-( > > In addition, for data files where the license allows non-commercial > > redistribution, it would IMHO be more user-friendly to have a fully-playable > > package in rpmfusion non-free than an autodownloader hack in Fedora. > > > > Gee, thanks for the vote of confidence, autodownloader is for the cases where > upstream can not or will not change the license. For example when I started > packaging bolzplatz2006 (fun game) I contacted upstream and the upstream > project lead said they would fix the license of the datafiles, at the end > however one of upstreams major contributers wouldn't play ball. > > To be more precise, atleast the following list of packages in Fedora is in > Fedora because I negotiated an acceptable license with upstream, or fixed > license issues by replacing troublesome parts, and that is the list which I > remember right now, the real list is (much) longer: > > glew > worminator > maniadrive-music > crystal-stacker > crystal-stacker-themes > alphabet-soup > crack-attack > TnL > > And that is not counting all the packages where I transcoded sound from > troublesome formats to free formats and patched the code to be able to handle > those free formats. > > How many license changes have _you_ negotiated recently? Awesome work - I was about to d/l the games spin for my nephew to tinker with (qv. shut him up) at xmas. However I simply don't agree with "autodownloader is for the cases where upstream can not or will not change the license". Thats a bit of a dodgy road to be headed down. Is there any chance you will re-consider this for the next release? This is now completely OT so apologies - the only comment I would make about the original topic is that the mix of System Tools and Administration section is indeed bonkers I feel, as Jonathan pointed out. Cheers -- Christopher Brown http://www.chruz.com -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
