On Dec 16, 2007 10:50 AM, Stewart Adam <s.adam@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > As well, I've got 29 applications listed under 'System Tools'. I > understand that not everyone does because it obviously depends on which > packages you have installed, but many entries do similar tasks > (Terminal, Konsole, Konsole Super User Mode). A lot of space could be > saved by putting them into a submenu. submenus... by default for all usage cases? I don't think this makes any sense at all. How common is it to have KDE and GNOME installed? Are we talking about fixing an issue that maybe 1% of userbase has to be annoyed by? And if we did have submenus are you talking about hiding all similar applications down in a submenu exposing no application choices at all in the System tools menu? That also seems very wrong for a default. Doesn't pretty much mean people are going to reach for alacarte to place their prefered applications in the higher level menu to avoid navigating the submenus for every application? I don't see how pushing duplicates into submenus by default avoids the need to customize the menu layouts thanks to the bounty of too many choices. What we need to do is start tracking things like recently used, or most used, or preferred in a meaningful way on a per user basis to give users the ability to quickly access things they (or the community at large) commonly use. Isn't the online desktop initiative playing around with that sort of application sorting? For multi-seat... don't we already have sabayon for administrators to tailor exactly what the initial desktop experience setup is for a new user on the system? With sabayon the admin can make a judgment as to what the menu configuration should look like, capture that in a profile and use that profile when the user is created on the system, doing the customization of the menus just once. I'm really not sure there is a good fit default menu configuration that is going to please a large enough segment of the community. Consistent use of generic and program names, I think we can all agree helps avoid confusion, but I'm not sure there will be consensus on what a default menu should look like for a cluttered install which deviates from a default selection of packages for in Spin. -jef -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
