On Nov 21, 2007 10:41 AM, Colin Walters <walters@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 19:41 +0100, Olivier Galibert wrote: > > > At fedora core 5 times, Everything was lost. Thankfully it is still > > in kickstart, but it makes the initial testing phase more annoying. > > Can you explain why you want to actually install all software? Wouldn't > it be easier to maintain a list of things you do care about? There are 80 machines in a cluster. He has 30 boxes sitting on desks. There are potentially another 90 machines. It sounds like a mixed use environment in a location like a school. He might know what applications he wants, but it's doubtful that he can anticipate all of the needs of his users. It's easier to just install everything and let them use what they want. It minimizes the number of calls that he has to field from his users requesting that something be installed. The other issue is changing package names. I don't know how stable the names have been especially for the more obscure software. It looks like there have not been many name changes to the packages from one release to the next. How about from 2 or 3 releases previously? It's another area where time would have to be expended to check the names of the packages on the list. I personally don't like to install everything. I know developers who like to install all so they don't have to go track down packages later when they need them. This is especially true when you're in an environment where you don't have high speed Internet access all of the time. An example of this is when FC5 came out I had to figure out which packages were needed to compile a piece of software. I knew that openmotif was needed. I addition to that xorg-xbitmaps and libXp were needed. It took a while before I was able to find everything that was needed. It was PITA. Carrying the original DVD doesn't work either. What if something on the DVD is needed but can't be installed because another package has been updated and causes a conflict? Some people have mentioned using RHEL 5. I don't use it because it doesn't have most of the things that I want. If it does have something I need, it's usually too out of date. I understand the reason why it is this way so you don't have to explain its purpose. I know of at least 3 people that have or are in the process of moving from Fedora to Ubuntu because their perception is that it "just works". This is related to the video card, wireless, and codecs for web use. Yes, I know why Fedora can't include these. You probably don't care, but I just upgraded from FC6 to F7 so that my wireless would work. Why not F8? When I read the emails that Sun's JVM wouldn't work on F8, I stopped considering it due to my dependence on a couple of Java apps. I couldn't spend the time tracking down bugs related to an incomplete runtime environment. I know that it's not anyone's fault on the list, but that's just the way that it is. Just my $0.01 for what it's worth. -- James Hubbard http://soweva.blogspot.com -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
