On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 11:39 -0500, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Mon, 12 Nov 2007, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > > However, I am still of the opinion that non-us people shouldn't be misled > > > to buy things that they're fully entitled to from free and available > > > software, just because of the main location of Fedora's main contributor > > > (Red Hat). Which is why I think the Codec Buddy feature suggesting > > > non-free software should be removed. Americans illegally installing > > > livna rpms is not Red Hat's problem. Europeans mistakingly paying for > > > non-free software is an issue for the Fedora Community. > > > > That is utter crock. If you know about the repositories, you probably > > already have the packages installed already, or that window would remind > > you to install them. If you don't know about them, we can't actually > > point you at them. > > Yes, we agree that people who know about this will ignore the new codec > buddy. Or rephrased, "informed people won't accept the misinformation > of needing to pay for codecs" (or if they are US users, will know that > they can steal them). > > It is the non-informed user that is harmed by the codec buddy. It just so > happens that it only harms non-US citizens, so this solution is deemed > "not a problem" for Red Hat because they are a US company. That is the > essence of the problem here. Feel free to propose changes to the warning popup so that European users aren't confused. > > The bottom line is that people who didn't know how to get playback > > software for their videos and music will now know how to, or at least > > have a way to. > > So you are also in favour of not telling people about free health care, > as long as they know how to find a doctor they can pay? That's really a > non argument. Red Hat is basically ripping of non-US citizens via a > business partner. They're not a business partner, and Red Hat isn't making any profit from it. I would also avoid big brush-stroke comparisons as well. A 30-euro one-off payment for a European user that can afford a computer is hardly akin to having to pay for your healthcare. > > In fact, most of this software and the way it made it in Fedora was done > > in Britain and Spain. So I'm not buying the "martyr from Europe who > > shelled out 30 euros" story. > > Obviously in cooperation and under ultimate decisions of releng and its > lawyers. So this argument also makes no sense. Lawyers didn't come into questions, because we weren't doing anything legally questionable, and the only people with a word into adding the feature were FESCo, for which you can run yourself. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
