On Sun, 2007-08-12 at 11:08 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le dimanche 12 août 2007 à 05:02 +0200, Ralf Corsepius a écrit : > > > And how do you "fix" the "find"-based cron job users might have > > implemented to clean up /var/cache from files not being used for time > > span "x"? > > Ralf, > > Everyone can find pathological cases Well, what you call pathological cases, I call "generalization". That said, I consider notime to lack generality, because it violates standards (POSIX), breaks applications and disables a feature of the OS. > atime killed one of my flash cards before I learnt to disable it by > default (nowadays the system is supposed to detect flash and disable > atime, no idea how foolproof the check is) May-be notime should be made the default on flash drives? > atime is a legacy ass-backwards default > That no one dared touching it so far does not make it less stupid > We're making more user-impacting changes with less cause every release > > Let's just disable atime asap so more testers check it before F8, and > forget about it As I already said many times before. It's trivial to implement "atime-based find" scripts: You'll hardly find any in a default installation, because they hardly make much sense as part of a distro (exept. tmpwatch), but they make a lot of sense as part of individual installation. E.g. * A cron job removing files not having been accessed for more than a month in /var/cache/yum. * Users wanting to remove "sound/data/image" files they have not listened/read/looked at for time xxx inside of their /home ... Similar stuff also can easily be integrated into applications. When abandoning atime you'd break these applications and would force future applications to administrate time-stamps as part of the application instead of them being able to utilize the OSes resources. > Let's just disable atime asap so more testers check it before F8, and > forget about it IMO, atime should be the default. Instead, users should learn to use partitions (instead of lumping together everything into one partition and to apply individual mount-flags to them, for those people thinking notime is helpful to them - I don't find noatime helpful. Ralf -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
