actually i really have to disagree somewhat with the above statements. infact i do use an unmodified (ok it is modified but unrelated to the initscripts issue) rawhide for ages now i really dont have any use cases for systemV or the systemV init scripts. i also dont like stub packages... it annoys me enough that there are various packages without payload in the distro (just junk in the db in my eyes). regards, Rudolf Kastl -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list