Christopher Blizzard wrote: > Are people complaining? Are we actually breaking stuff in the process? Since you particularly asked, I will say that the volume of updates is a problem for me. (Normally I don't believe in complaining about volunteer efforts, so I would have kept quiet.) You asked if you were breaking stuff in the process. This morning I was hit by this problem, which appears to result from the PAM update: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=244534 Although actually downgrading the PAM package is easy, it did take a certain amount of time. I had to work out what was going on, check that downgrading wouldn't leave my system vulnerable, and so on. I also eventually gave up trying to use a Wacom tablet with Fedora. Most times a kernel update came out, the tablet would fail, always in a slightly different way. It could generally be made to work again, but eventually I felt it was taking too much time, and went back to a normal PS/2 mouse. > Are you upset with the amount of bandwith we're eating or just based on > principal? Actually the raw bandwidth isn't the important thing for me. The frustration comes from updates that don't work properly, forcing me to spend time debugging a system that was previously working. The perfect solution, IMHO, would be two separate update streams. There would be a "recommended updates" stream for security patches and fixes for major bugs. Then there would be an "optional updates" stream for minor bugs, new upstream versions, that sort of thing. Then I could install all the recommended updates, but I could leave the optional updates unless I particularly needed the improved functionality. It might be that the "recommended updates" are almost identical to the RHEL fixes, since they would have the same goal. Pete -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
