Hi, I have been following the thread about the slightly chaotic F7 changes to infrastructure etc, and there seems to be agreement on one thing - much of the problems that the community faced stemmed from a lack of communication from the people making the substantial changes and the rest of the community. The rest (or a large part) of the community then perceived breakages and work flow hinderance and got upset and confused. On the positive side, the turnover during F7 was phenomenal and I am sure that the benefits outweigh the disruption by orders of magnitude. But the great news is, it's not too late to really make the most of this. What I believe is needed is a week of consolidated documentation writing. We need the barrier to contribution to Fedora to be orders of magnitude below where it is currently (and it was raised by several during the F7 process due to lack of documentation). So; here's my proposal. Everyone stop non-critical packaging work for a week and write some damn docs and really make the whole packaging and building processes transparent. I have no doubt that people intimately involved with the infrastructure changes are reading this and thinking "but it's all pretty obvious". Well, it is if you've been spending 8 hours a day for weeks working on it. ;) I actually started looking to do this and realized what a mess the current docs are in. Most of the important docs are squirreled away as drafts or personal FAQs. Nothing is finished. It's far too much work for one person. ASIDE: I'm also not convinced that the wiki platform we're using is actually conducice to writing good documentation. It's great for low entry for writing a single page, but it's rubbish for putting together a coherent set of docs. Is there something better we can look at using in the long term (not NOW though, priority number one should be getting some pages written) Anyway, that's my rant. jonathan -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list