On 5/16/07, Valent Turkovic <valent.turkovic@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I subscribet to that bug, but for me on my 2 Fedora Core 6 systems beagle works flawlessly! And I use it all the time... not 100% cpu usage, no slowdowns... it "just works"tm :)
I'm glad it works for you, I mean.. it has to work for someone. I've uninstall beagle on my 4 personal machines running fc6 or fedora development because it repeatedly decided to start thrashing disk and cpu while i was trying to do "important" things. If beagle was smart enough to do whatever necessary system thrashing late at night or when things were really idle, it would have escaped my scrutiny entirely.
If this aproach would be the same with all components of Fedora I personaly have trouble with then there would be an empty application menue if you would remove all apps that have some little bugs.
100% cpu utilization of a background process isn't a little bug. Beagle is acting essentially a daemon process, initiated as part of desktop session startup. The indexer which is the underlying problem is not even really a desktop application in the traditional sense. You don't manually start it, you don't interact with it while its doing its job. We don't even get a little cute tray icon that pops up when the indexer is active for us to monitor or interact with. It runs on its own and as such its a pain in the ass to keep an eye on if its going wonky. if you aren't running a system monitor like application constantly you aren't necessarily going to notice when it decides to flip out and burn your cpu for 10 minutes while the other running processess suffer. I however do run a system monitor like application constantly, and pay close attention to when the cpu spikes.
For me this is an ovekill - there are much worst apps in Fedora 7 and aren't being removed from Fedora 7.
Yes, we all have our pet applications and applications with love to hate. Shall I wax eloquent about how desperately vital I find inkscape or revelation as applications that I simply can not live without on a day-to-day basis? Or how much I absolutely loath gaim/pidgon? Just because I find certain applications supremely useful (or dishearteningly unusable), does not mean I'm going to stand up on a soapbox, shake my fist in the air, and demand those applications to be in or out of a default install target simply on the strength of my personal preferences. Beagle is still available in the repository. Is it really that burdensome for you to install beagle from the repository instead of having in the default media spin? And the answer is, its no less burdensome for you to install it as it is for me to uninstall it after the fact...which I have gladly done up till this point without complaint. But I think you need to appreciate the bigger picture that release-eng and QA have to take in...there are competing demands on default install targets..they need to be featureful as well as having robust system performance. There is a need to make sure general perception concerning Fedora's performance is not unduly impacted by misbehaving background processes. There is most definitely a elevated risk to overall system performance in the Fedora desktop if beagle is enabled. Whether or not your personal data doesn't cause beagle to misfire is immaterial to the larger issue. Beagle is not just one buggy application that crashes unexpectedly while its being used resulting sharp bursts of user frustration. When beagle running as a background process craps out, its causing a noticeable degradation on the whole system (especially low-end to middle of the road systems), with absolutely no user-visible feedback at all to indicate to an unsuspecting user that beagle is causing the system slowdown. That's a userbase wide issue, which deserves release-eng and QA consideration. -jef"so which indexer should i write a netcdf indexer for first... i'm thinking medusa"spaleta -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
