2007/2/23, Lyvim Xaphir <knightmerc@xxxxxxxxx>:
On Thu, 2007-02-22 at 22:56 +0100, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > Due to my lousy English - "Danglish" - I referred to the (K)ubuntu > install, not FC6 (Where I actually lurked on the ML some months > before installing it so I avoided the LVM and SELinux stuff). The > default (K)ubuntu install is open source only, if someone want the > proprietary stuff further repos must be enabled, just like FC. > > Mark Shuttleworth has some remarks on non-free drivers here : > > http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/95 > > I was a bit surprised when the (K)ubuntu installed an ATI driver all > by itself, but it seems that the driver (UTAH) is open source as > well. > > Kaj. There needs to be a balance between the right of individuals to own their own property (specifically in our realm of discussion, intellectual property) and the right of individuals to control the source to the operating system they run. Currently the trend with the Cox's of the world is to abolish the rights of companies and individuals to protect their own intellectual property rights; at any cost. The plain simple definition of socialism is the abolition of personal property to another jurisdiction other than the true owner of that personal property; be that a dictator or a government, or a group of socio-fascist developers. In this case, the developers seek to take the decision about intellectual property rights OUT of the public domain (the "Market") and to FORCIBLY TAKE AWAY the right of the company or individual to license driver-code the way the code authors see fit. This is not "freedom", it is in reality a form of slavery. The way they seek to accomplish this is by writing the kernel so that it will reject any module that it (the kernel) perceives as NOT open source. This is not a technical task, it is an ideological task. The problem I have and that I have always had is that ideological decisions are the domain of the USER, NOT THE KERNEL. Furthermore, and more to the point, ideological decisions are the purview of the USER and NOT THE DEVELOPERS. The kernel is and has always been a product of technical merit (which was freely given, as opposed to forcibly taken); the ideologues in the developer community seek to slave the kernel itself to their own personal ideological goals. THAT is where the line is being crossed; THAT is the abhorrent corruption we are faced with. The developers have no rights to other people's intellectual property rights or software licensing decisions, OR the JURISDICTION THEREOF; yet in face of that fact they seek to forcibly TAKE or CONTROL what is not theirs by *force*. How? Because since they control the kernel, they essentially have monopoly power over the Linux operating system. They are currently abusing that leverage to execute forced licensing upon any developer that writes driver code. No longer is the programmer the arbiter of the license of his own work. The use of such a monopoly power for ideological ends is force and is therefore by definition fascism. Fascism is nothing less than an advanced aspect of socialism; the same is true of communism. Both fascism and communism are *consequences* of socialism. In the linux world today we are now seeing both consequences manifest themselves in the religious fanatic RMS sectors of the community. The ONLY thing that has stopped this process.....and I do mean the ONLY thing, is Linus Torvalds. He has made it clear that the Linux kernel will NOT be turned into an ideological tool (but even as he has made this clear, the offending messages remain entrenched in the kernel right now as we speak, running prospective developers away and causing many developers to question the domain of Linux as being anything near fruitful). For this he has suffered much criticism and hate mail. In the same regard, ESR has suffered much criticism and hate mail. This is the modern rendition of the medieval persecution of the Jews by the Flagellants during the Black Plague. We have the religious fanatics, and we have the innocent heros, deprived of justice. The only difference is that instead of maniacal religious zealots beating themselves with chains and murdering Jews, we have the present day maniacal religious Stallman nose pickers, and instead of the Jews we have Torvalds, ESR, and those of us with sufficient testosterone to support their cause. LX -- °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°° A Kernel Of Socialism greatunwashed: module license 'great_unwashed' taints kernel. ich: no version for "unwashed_register_device" found: kernel tainted. Symbol usb_register_driver is being used by a non-GPL module, which will not be allowed in the future Please see the file Documentation/feature-removal-schedule.txt in the kernel source tree for more details. °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°° -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
you didnt realize yet i guess that your signature turns the whole thing into a cold war instead of discussing the real issues behind some of the decisions which are also technical. why would a distro ship something to users it cant support because theres no sourcecode available to fix the pending issues? are you going to convince the nvidia developers to make their drivers work e.g. with accelerated framebuffer drivers? i have reported the issue years ago and as it usually is with nonfree/proprietary software it didnt get fixed. just a reallife example and well from what i read its that _you_ have political issues for some of your opinions... best luck with your next try of finding some valid arguments instead of trying to convince us all that binary drivers are a great thing. if its so great just use it and respect the opinions of others that they dont want them or dont want to have to support them. will you support people with issues on tainted kernels? have you made any efforts in fixing the current pending "wontfix" issues? if no... hot air to me. regards, Rudolf Kastl -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
