On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 11:32 -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > On Wednesday 31 January 2007 11:15, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > > > > It must be opt-in. > > > > 1. May-be you should consider to talk to RH legal. > > In many parts of this world opt-out is ILLEGAL. > > > > 2. It should be is a matter of fairness to make it opt-in. > > > > 3. In many parts of this world SPY-WARE like yours is a very hot > > political topic. You are at risk at exposing Fedora to be subjects to > > such flames. Even Microsoft has learned their lessons and made > > "registration opt-in", now you are committing the same FAULT. > Ralf, > > it is not registration, it is not spy ware. It unattendedly collects various data which is not publically available from a local machine => SPY-WARE Connecting this information with IP-numbers opens many opportunities for abuse => Opens many chances to privacy breaches. I don't have any reasons to trust this URL smolt sends it data too. > it is a voluntary hardware > profile. there is no way to know that a profile is yours unless you give me > your unique hardware id that is generated on your system at package install > time. You have this (BTW: absolutely not unique and forgable) hardware id in connection with IP-numbers. This allows backtracking. You might have heard about the fuzz HW CPU-ID had caused in the past? > This will help fedora in many ways. I guess, I don't have to mention: My opinion differs very much. > it is opt-in you can choose to install or not install smolt. Mike asked about making installation the default. That's why I am so embarrassed. Having a script that is not being run automatically (not used by first boot), but being run at user-request as part of eg. a bug-report (similar to bug-buddy) is a completely different topic. > Feel free to look at the code. there is no package list sent, no ip, no > anything that can be associated to you without you giving me your id. I'll pretty soon add an "Obsoletes: smolt" into the base package of my local repos. > And again to re-iterate it is entirely voluntary "you choose" to submit or not > your profile OK, I will have a look at the sources and look if something has changed since it was under review. At that time I did not notice any opt-in, but noticed a scripts being run at installation time. In this particular case, I'll continue to be VERY stubborn. There is not way to convince me about such spy-ware. If you want to collect statics with an opt-in, you can achieve the same by launching a counter website. Ralf -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
