Dnia 28-07-2006, pią o godzinie 10:13 +0200, Hans de Goede napisał(a): > I keep hearing this argument, that the packages for the involved drivers > can be made to conflict with the update. Which in essence will deprive > all but the most technical of our users from security updates. This is, once again, the yum bugs coming back. Seth thinks yum shouldn't be able to downgrade packages (if you install newer Y and encounter a regression, you can't go back to the previous version, except for the kernel, where you can have many versions installed). Seth thinks yum shouldn't be able to update all packages it can when there are a few with broken dependencies (if an update to Y is available, but conflits with Z... packages A...W won't be updated). (where package Y can be Xorg 7.1 we're talking about) Seth thinks introducing 2-3 weeks long lag (this number is not imaginary, that's a real mirror lag) of security updates, during which I download tens of megabytes of xml data (from 20 and 19 days ago, back and forth), is little cost (!) comparing to one temporary file on my own machine (less than 1 KiB) and simple checking if timestamp > timestamp (not to mention centralized server with only repo data, always up to date). He doesn't get my English, probably nobody else does, I don't write in Python and maybe that's why yum still stinks ;) But let me say this again: yum stinks. You look convinced that yum is everything the user can get and if it works the way it works, it's everyone else responsible to not do anything that yum can't handle gracefully. Wrong! First of all, yum and its front ends (pup) can be changed to hold upgrading Xorg 7.1 (and only Xorg 7.1) when there are explicit conflicts. Secondly, the default configuration of yum in FC5 is holding security updates for as long as two weeks (I promise you it's true, although my record was 8 days, running "yum update" two times a day). I said it before and I say it again: I'm convinced that NVIDIA has newer driver almost ready (they had time and they officially stated they're working on it few months ago) and can take us by surprise releasing it anytime they need. I'm brave and say: NVIDIA can release appropriate binary driver faster than yum can download security updates with its default configuration :) So in my opinion, it is yum to be blamed, not Xorg packager, Fedora Project Board or anyone else making decisions, because we could do everything to everyone (!) if only yum was a little bit friendlier. In other words, we're all arguing about a thing that shouldn't even be arguable. I would miss you Hans, please don't go! :) Lam
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