2006/4/6, Rudolf Kastl <che666@xxxxxxxxx>: > 2006/4/6, Cam <camilo@xxxxxxxxxxxx>: > > Eric, > > > > Do you really think that a substantial population of adopters are ready > > and waiting but held back because mp3 isn't in Fedora? > > i agree... installing the livna release package and yum installing an > mp3 addon package isnt a really big deal. and also this way we push > superior formats that are free... mp3 is just a suboptimal legacy > format in my eyes anyways. > > > > > I think that's nonsense. If you rank potential users by ability, the > > vast majority will not use Fedora because they can't buy a machine with > > it pre-installed; > > Lots of users have windows preinstalled and they dont know anything > else or cant imagine that something else that doesnt cost anything can > even be better for their use cases. > > > > others will not use Fedora because they aren't > > confident about partitioning disks or shrinking NTFS partitions. > > You cant do that with windows xp... you need addon tools whereas the > most known and easiest to find tools are proprietary. The win os just > doesent even provide those basic features and i doubt vista will fix > it because they have a tough time to catch up with their desktop to > not look like from 1995. Vector based desktop in vista... i use svg > themes since ages on linux ... also well i dont expect them to develop > lots of additions to the basic os because fixing up the few basic apps > they supply (like gnomemeeting and the directx crash i reported around > 8 years ago that is still present in the xp version). > > > > > I'm not aware of any vendor that ships Fedora (and IMHO it's not likely > > as a vendor would chose something which would be supported for longer > > than a given Fedora release). Given that other users will have to follow > > technical instructions to burn CDs or perform a network install, they > > will have a level of ability where they are more than capable of getting > > mp3 support through the established methods. > > There are how tos. If a person isnt able to follow a simple 3 step > procedure that is well documented with how tos i am asking myself if > the person: > > a) should use a computer at all > b) maybe should start learning to read > c) is a member of the intended audience for _any_ software product typo: i meant "is not a member" instead "is a member" > > > > > > I think there are better goals that would increase adoption: > > > > 1. marketing: a 'sampler' live-CD or VMWare image; web based tutorials > > and demos with video showing features > > A live cd would definitely help and also show the user if the system > actually does support his hardware and meet his requirements and use > cases. A vmware image would probably just introduce additional bugs > and make linux appear lots slower than it actually is. Sure live cds > are slower than a hd install aswell but theres no host os eating up > ram and cpu power. > > > > 2. technical improvements: provide email notification through > > thunderbird; provide desktop integration for firefox; any other workflow > > related improvements > > Well i prefer evolution personally. And as for firefox... a new > frontend to the renderer like galeon that does integrate properly with > gnome would be nicer and faster as well as better integrating. I just > dont see that happen with firefox. > > > 3. better documentation from a user's perspective - how to do task X > > instead of how to use 'Banshee' (or any other obscurely named app) > > Thats two completly different kinds of documentation. Theres > application specific ones and task specific ones. Task specific ones > should probably describe how to achieve a result in multible and as > far as possible task independent ways. > > > 4. bling, because people will make the effort to see it, even if it's > > not a productivity enhancement; it also gets you noticed in print. As a > > bleeding edge distro Fedora is well placed to make the most of this. > > Bling on by default also requires it to be less buggy and > problematic.Installing bling is nothing but adding one repo yumming > the server, using gdmsetup and choosing aiglx and enabling composite. > Then triggering a gconf switch and done. I think if you cant handle > that at the moment you are also not able to attach gdb and report bugs > upstream properly which is what is required at the moment besides > fixing more drivers up for it and getting bugs squashed. > > But yes i agree... the majority of win users can be easily attracted > with nice eye candy that doesent need a dual core cpu (compare vista). > > > > > I think any of the above would do more to increase adoption than merely > > including mp3 support. > > Looking at mp3 support for me means looking back to nonfree legacy > stuff. i never look back. > > > regards, > Rudolf Kastl > > p.s. as always just my personal opinion > > > > > -Cam > > > > -- > > > > <-- > > camilo@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > -- > > fedora-devel-list mailing list > > fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list > > > -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
